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Angela Merkel says UK needs to take more fleeing migrants.

"Angela Merkel threw down the gauntlet to David Cameron last night and said large countries should be prepared to accept more asylum seekers.
The German Chancellor demanded a new European Union system that distributes asylum-seekers to member states based on their population and economic strength.
The call comes as Europe struggles with the growing refugee crisis in the Mediterranean, where hundreds have died in recent days trying to get from northern Africa to Italy."

To suggest a country's economic strength is the deciding factor almost infers that these people are an economic burden.......... surely that can't be true.

Should we open our borders? more than they already are that is.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3054810/Germany-leader-Angela-Merkel-calls-UK-immigrants-wake-refugee-crisis-Mediterranean.html

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Original post by 1inaMillion


To suggest a country's economic strength is the deciding factor almost infers that these people are an economic burden.......... surely that can't be true.


Looool, that's a very good point.
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Original post by 1inaMillion
"Angela Merkel threw down the gauntlet to David Cameron last night and said large countries should be prepared to accept more asylum seekers.
The German Chancellor demanded a new European Union system that distributes asylum-seekers to member states based on their population and economic strength.
The call comes as Europe struggles with the growing refugee crisis in the Mediterranean, where hundreds have died in recent days trying to get from northern Africa to Italy."

To suggest a country's economic strength is the deciding factor almost infers that these people are an economic burden.......... surely that can't be true.

Should we open our borders? more than they already are that is.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3054810/Germany-leader-Angela-Merkel-calls-UK-immigrants-wake-refugee-crisis-Mediterranean.html


In my opinion she made a very good point. Right now, according to EU law, the migrant have to seek asylum in the country they first arrive in, which often are the mediterranean countries. Of course a lot of resources are/will have to be put into integration, and that requires money. As most know, many of the mediterranean countries aren't in the best economical situation. The current EU law puts a strain on the border countries, which isn't good for anyone - not the countries nor the people. To make it more "fair" and provide the best protection and integration for those in need, without sacrificing the welfare of any EU country, we need to distribute people more evenly. If they come to EU for their safety, they do not in my opinion have a right to chose exactly where to live, as long as they are safe and well taken care off.

Angela Merkel's proposal is not only fair and economically beneficial, but also shows humanity. Today's situation is unbearable and something has to be done. If it had been in the UK for example, we would not have accepted several hundreds of people dying because of a situation like this, something would have been done immediately. So why do we make a difference? They are just as much human as the rest of us are. In that way we are equal, but we are certainly not treated equally. Skin colour, origin, religion, sexuality, gender etc., etc, should not matter as long as it does not hurt anyone else. We accept all other differences, so why are these so hard to accept for some people? We are all equally human, and should be treated as such.



Sorry for the rambling... Just a few evening thoughts :wink:
Original post by 1inaMillion
"Angela Merkel threw down the gauntlet to David Cameron last night and said large countries should be prepared to accept more asylum seekers.
The German Chancellor demanded a new European Union system that distributes asylum-seekers to member states based on their population and economic strength.
The call comes as Europe struggles with the growing refugee crisis in the Mediterranean, where hundreds have died in recent days trying to get from northern Africa to Italy."

To suggest a country's economic strength is the deciding factor almost infers that these people are an economic burden.......... surely that can't be true.

Should we open our borders? more than they already are that is.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3054810/Germany-leader-Angela-Merkel-calls-UK-immigrants-wake-refugee-crisis-Mediterranean.html


I suppose we could always come back with the response. 'Sorry. We're too busy dealing with Ebola that Germany has chose to do nothing about.
Original post by WilliamSlim
Only reason we don't let Germany take them all in because we know they'll go all genocidal again

racist comment
The decision should be determined on size of the country and demographics which Germany clearly exceeds us on. This is a joke. We are one of the smallest countries in Europe with France, Germany, Spain, Poland, and so on having a lot less people per km^2

Typical EU trying to tell us what to do. One more reason to vote UKIP.
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Original post by WilliamSlim
Only reason we don't let Germany take them all in because we know they'll go all genocidal again



It would be impossible for Germany or, the EU for that matter, to take them ALL in. The truth is that most refugees stay in neighboring countries, and never get to Europe at all. It would not be possible for Germany to take the majority in either, as it would crash their economy completely. Angela Merkel's proposal is the most beneficial for all that I yet have heard.
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Original post by The two eds
The decision should be determined on size of the country and demographics which Germany clearly exceeds us on. This is a joke. We are one of the smallest countries in Europe with France, Germany, Spain, Poland, and so on having a lot less people per km^2

Typical EU trying to tell us what to do. One more reason to vote UKIP.



If I remember correctly, Angela Merkel's proposal specifically said that the amount of immigrant taken in per country would be decided by the economic situation as well as the size and population of the country. So, the amount the UK would take in would not be larger in percentage than what Germany would take in.

Please do not make any excuses to vote for a party that clearly lacks in morals, ethics and humanity.
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Original post by Oakflame
If I remember correctly, Angela Merkel's proposal was specifically said that the amount of immigrant taken in per country would be decided by the economic situation as well as the size and population of the country. So, the amount the UK would take in would not be larger in percentage than what Germany would take in.


Still voting UKIP, We did not sign up to this when joining the common market. I know no one who was told that would happen when participating in the 70s referendum.
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How? I'm saying we shouldn't let Germany take them in regarding their past.
Original post by Oakflame
It would be impossible for Germany or, the EU for that matter, to take them ALL in. The truth is that most refugees stay in neighboring countries, and never get to Europe at all. It would not be possible for Germany to take the majority in either, as it would crash their economy completely. Angela Merkel's proposal is the most beneficial for all that I yet have heard.


If the UK do not want to take anymore then that is our choice, simples. What higher power has a right to tell us otherwise if according to you lefties "EU does not control 75% of our laws" :rolleyes:
Original post by WilliamSlim
How? I'm saying we shouldn't let Germany take them in regarding their past.

Racist comment to Germans
Original post by The two eds
Still voting UKIP, We did not sign up to this when joining the common market. I know no one who was told that would happen when participating in the 70s referendum.


It is, in my opinion, like saying you did not sign up for development. Being a part of a larger union will ultimately end in compromises. Sometimes we just have to look past ourselves and see what would be the best for the majority.
Original post by Oakflame
It is, in my opinion, like saying you did not sign up for development. Being a part of a larger union will ultimately end in compromises. Sometimes we just have to look past ourselves and see what would be the best for the majority.


Polls say around 75% are concerned with the EU, the majority clearly are not all happy and rainbows about the political union. We wanted a common market yes, but a federalised Europe where we become an EU state with EU wide tax, EU wide army and EU wide laws, when did any of us get a vote on that???
Original post by The two eds
If the UK do not want to take anymore then that is our choice, simples. What higher power has a right to tell us otherwise if according to you lefties "EU does not control 75% of our laws" :rolleyes:


The higher power, in this case the EU, has the right to do so as the UK is a part of it. Without the EU, the UK would have a lot of other problems, such as trading. Some parts are good, other worse, when it comes to being part of a union. We all have to compromise sometimes, and think of what would be the best for the majority and not just ourselves. It is the whole reason why the EU has an entire institution where the members have to "think European" and not country-by-country.
Original post by Farage for PM
Racist comment to Germans

How? Is racist to judge Germany as a nation based on it's history and actions? The same way your god Farage judges Bulgarians and Romanians.
Original post by Oakflame
It is, in my opinion, like saying you did not sign up for development. Being a part of a larger union will ultimately end in compromises. Sometimes we just have to look past ourselves and see what would be the best for the majority.


Are you a utilitarian, a moral relativist, or both? Because the epistemological baseness of your comment exposes a lot about yourself and many people on this website.
Original post by Oakflame
The higher power, in this case the EU, has the right to do so as the UK is a part of it. Without the EU, the UK would have a lot of other problems, such as trading. Some parts are good, other worse, when it comes to being part of a union. We all have to compromise sometimes, and think of what would be the best for the majority and not just ourselves. It is the whole reason why the EU has an entire institution where the members have to "think European" and not country-by-country.


Cameron calls up Merkel, tells her he wants more Poles in her country, fewer in his.

Merkel calls up Cameron, tells him she wants more Syrians in his country, fewer in hers.

Give and take? Doesn't seem to be the case, more like let the chips fall where they may. Personally I'd rather take the Poles.
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Original post by 1inaMillion
"Angela Merkel threw down the gauntlet to David Cameron last night and said large countries should be prepared to accept more asylum seekers.
The German Chancellor demanded a new European Union system that distributes asylum-seekers to member states based on their population and economic strength.
The call comes as Europe struggles with the growing refugee crisis in the Mediterranean, where hundreds have died in recent days trying to get from northern Africa to Italy."

To suggest a country's economic strength is the deciding factor almost infers that these people are an economic burden.......... surely that can't be true.

Should we open our borders? more than they already are that is.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3054810/Germany-leader-Angela-Merkel-calls-UK-immigrants-wake-refugee-crisis-Mediterranean.html

I think that as much as everyone says they want equality across the world, a way we could really make the world more equal is, rather than simply helping those dying of famine by giving a pound to charity once in a while, to actually have free movement everywhere to share out resources and land. Unfortunately this would mean a lot of us in places like the UK becoming less affluent (ie reducing the amount we consume to our fair share rather than gorging ourselves whilst others starve), which is something that most people are not prepared to do. Although it is natural for people to want to retain their wealth and for their children to have good futures, maybe allowing free immigration everywhere could be a way of balancing out the opportunity a little? as in the end we are all one world and country borders are simply a concept we have invented for ourselves.
Original post by WilliamSlim
How? Is racist to judge Germany as a nation based on it's history and actions? The same way your god Farage judges Bulgarians and Romanians.

Its a fact Romanians and Bulgarians have high crimes rates and low wages which will push them to come here. There is no fact to suggest Germans would genocide asylum seekers again, stop comparing a nation to the nazi party

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