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Original post by noobynoo
Why does he want special treatment?

Everyone's got some sort of problem. Maybe some people have a feet fetish and are distracted by people's feet in the exams. Some people have insomnia and won't get enough sleep. Some people have family problems. Some people have only one eye.
So, your brain's wired slightly differently to the average person. Big deal. It means you might have an unfair advantage in some subjects like math and find other things harder.

Guess what some people are better at art and find math hard. Should they also get special treatment because their brain is "too creative?"

That's what these tests are for. To find out your abilities. What's the point in doing the tests if you don't do them in the same environment as everyone else? Then they don't test anything.

I've just been reading a book about Autism and it just means your brain might be wired differently than average. It's not necessarily a disability. Just a variation in a lot of different ways the brain can be wired.

Stop being a victim and learn to love your brain,

Also, if you go do a subject like math, physics or computer science you will see that practically all of them will have bad social skills and could be labelled as "autistic" given half the chance.

Everyone wants to be autistic these days. It's the newest craze.


If you honestly believe what you've written, you disgust me.
Original post by Omni Vanitas
If you honestly believe what you've written, you disgust me.


Please explain why. Thanks. Every day in the news they have stories "Was Einstein autistic?" "Is Bill Gates autistic?" "Was Steve Jobs autistic?" "Was Isaac Newton autistic?" No. They weren't. They were just very intelligent. Psychiatrists want to diagnose everyone who is out of the ordinary with a disorder. It is very sad. :frown:
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Original post by noobynoo
Please explain why. Thanks.


I won't, your post speaks for itself. You clearly have no idea of the lives of people with autism.
Original post by Omni Vanitas
I won't, your post speaks for itself. You clearly have no idea of the lives of people with autism.


There is no one autism. There are just lots of different behaviours. Like some people could never speak and run around and flap there arms. Then other people are just slightly nerdy. Which type of autism are you talking about?

What is your direct experience with people with "autism" and what kind of behaviours did they have? By generalising all people with "autism" just shows how little you know.

Everyone has a few of these behaviours (even you) that's why they say "everyone is on the autistic spectrum". So if everyone is autistic then autism is normal.

So you shouldn't say "I need special treatment because I have autism". Because you have to mention the specific type of behaviour that you suffer from. So maybe if you are distracted by black and white text and it makes the letters move around then you might need to wear coloured glasses.

Unfortunately autism has generalised away from specific problems like this to describe anyone who is socially awkward or who prefers stamp collecting (for example) as opposed to socialising. That is because they diagnose autism very subjectively with a questionnaire.

This book better at explaining it than me.
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Noobynoo I don't know how to quote your entry on here. I had never been on here before and don't know how it works. All I wanted was an opinion on whether I should declare my condition or not, or even how to do that. I did not ask for your opinion on autism in general. Are you a qualified doctor or psychiatrist? Do you have autism? If not, you will have no idea how offensive your comment "Everyone wants to be autistic these days. It's the newest craze" is. If you think I want autism you could not be more wrong. I was dealt this hand, I am doing my best to get through education and achieve the best results I can. I cringe to think that you feel I am enjoying my situation. If I could be "Neurotypical", I would be in a heartbeat. How cruel and insensitive. I'm sure you will come back with some clever, wordy comment in return but frankly, I won't be reading it. I won't be back. You are everything I am trying to avoid on a daily basis. I hoped this website would be helpful and supportive. However, a big thank you to those who provided helpful comments.
Original post by Redd1965
Noobynoo I don't know how to quote your entry on here. I had never been on here before and don't know how it works. All I wanted was an opinion on whether I should declare my condition or not, or even how to do that. I did not ask for your opinion on autism in general. Are you a qualified doctor or psychiatrist? Do you have autism? If not, you will have no idea how offensive your comment "Everyone wants to be autistic these days. It's the newest craze" is. If you think I want autism you could not be more wrong. I was dealt this hand, I am doing my best to get through education and achieve the best results I can. I cringe to think that you feel I am enjoying my situation. If I could be "Neurotypical", I would be in a heartbeat. How cruel and insensitive. I'm sure you will come back with some clever, wordy comment in return but frankly, I won't be reading it. I won't be back. You are everything I am trying to avoid on a daily basis. I hoped this website would be helpful and supportive. However, a big thank you to those who provided helpful comments.


Unfortunately the amount of empathy you are showing here is in contradiction to your statement that you have autism. Your eloquent answer shows that you are a perfectly capable human being. I would get myself re-tested if I were you.

I am supporting you with tough love. I say man-up. Stop being a victim.

Two A's and a B is more than some (in your words) "neurotypical" people (in my words: there's no such thing) will get so what's the problem?
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Some people just don't know when to shut up.
Original post by noobynoo
No, you are misguided. As was the medical profession for years. Finally last year it had to remove the term "Aspergers" from the psychiatrics handbook as it had to admit that there was no such thing and that autism is simply a collection of different behaviours. Some people have more of these behaviours, some have less.

What does "high functioning autism" mean? It means you have very few of the behaviours associated with autism. Guess what. Most physics professors could go under that description too.

In fact large number of us have at least one of the behavours asociated with autism.

Unless you believe in God in which case you can say there is a perfect human and all brains that deviate from the brain of the perfect human are somehow wrong or "autistic". Or if you don't believe in God you can say that all our brains are slightly different due to chance and that some are more different than others.

Or you might believe in evolution in which case you might think that it is useful for some people in the tribe to have these behaviours of being able to focus on very specific topics while lacking social skills because in certain situations that could be advantageous for the tribe.

Either way, I think if you are clever enough to write posts in TSR you don't need special treatment. That's my view. Sorry if it doesn't fit in with the psychiatric view of trying to label every possible behaviour and emotion as a disorder that needs to be fixed.

You clearly don't know what its like to be classed as autistic. Yes everybody is on the spectrum but it doesn't mean they are autistic. To be given a diagnosis of an autism spectrum disorder you have to be higher up this spectrum and it to be having a detrimental impact on your life. As someone who has a diagnosis of Asperger's I can honestly tell you that it is a disability, and can effect people greatly. If it wasn't for the help I get at uni because of my disability I would not still be here studying the course which is what I enjoy and want to do with the rest of my life. Don't tell me it has no effect and that I don't deserve extra help because of it, when it is the very thing that, for example, had to leave a practical class in tears just because there was timers going off, when for most people in the room it just made it harder to concentrate and they could stay in the room and actually complete the practical.
I don't suppose anything will change your view, but luckily autism is a diagnosis that unis except as a disability and therefore will give the OP the help they need and deserve, or at least any decent uni would.
Original post by Redd1965
Hi
I have high functioning autism and ADD and I am hoping to achieve high enough A level grades to be offered a place at Uni. I am working hard and am predicted to get 2 A's and a B (although this is best case scenario, fingers crossed)
Will these conditions affect my application either negatively or positively?
I have been told to contact the Uni's directly and ask them but I am a bit embarrassed so I thought I would test the water here first. I don't know who to ask for when I call.
Any help or advice would be gladly received! Thanks :colondollar:

As others have said it should have no impact on your application, as any uni that would disregard it because of your autism would be guilty of discrimination. I have asperger's and am currently at uni, and my disabillity department have been excellent has have all of my lecturers who I've told about it when I've needed to (They would probably be able to find out if they wanted, there's just so many people in my lectures that they don't know who everyone is).
Ignore ignorant comments like noobynoo's, they clearly have no clue. I think the statement where he said that you can't be autistic because you can show empathy says it all tbh.
I hope you get into the uni you want and don't be afraid to ask for the help you need :smile:.
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Original post by KiwiMonkey96
You clearly don't know what its like to be classed as autistic. Yes everybody is on the spectrum but it doesn't mean they are autistic. To be given a diagnosis of an autism spectrum disorder you have to be higher up this spectrum and it to be having a detrimental impact on your life. As someone who has a diagnosis of Asperger's I can honestly tell you that it is a disability, and can effect people greatly. If it wasn't for the help I get at uni because of my disability I would not still be here studying the course which is what I enjoy and want to do with the rest of my life. Don't tell me it has no effect and that I don't deserve extra help because of it, when it is the very thing that, for example, had to leave a practical class in tears just because there was timers going off, when for most people in the room it just made it harder to concentrate and they could stay in the room and actually complete the practical.
I don't suppose anything will change your view, but luckily autism is a diagnosis that unis except as a disability and therefore will give the OP the help they need and deserve, or at least any decent uni would.


OK, I see your point.

If it is the type of autism that you get overwhelmed by sounds and sights and can't concentrate then fair enough. I guess you would need special treatment.

On the other hand if you have been diagnosed autistic because you are bad at socialising and are very intense on particular things. Then you shouldn't have special treatment. In fact that could be an advantage. Some people say Einstein or Bill Gates was autistic. They definitely didn't need special treatment to become the greatest scientist, or richest man alive.

That's why I was saying that it's important not just to use the name "autistic" but to describe exactly what your problems are. Because the label autistic covers a range of "abnormal" brain activities.

I don't think that's particularly controversial is it? (well it clearly is because even though scientists don't really understand autism, apparently some people on TSR know more than the scientists and there can be no debating the matter.)

Also see this article about if ADD really exists or is it too a catch-all word for lots of different problems.

I find it strange that someone can be diagnosed with autism yet have absolutely no interest in the current research on autism. That's all.

PS. I have friends who are diagnosed as autistic and yet they get on fine in life without special treatment. So not all diagnosed autistic people need special treatment as goes to show.

Also, I have friends who not autistic but are thick as a plank of wood. Maybe they should get more special treatment? Since they will do worse in life probably.
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Original post by noobynoo
OK, I see your point.

If it is the type of autism that you get overwhelmed by sounds and sights and can't concentrate then fair enough. I guess you would need special treatment.

On the other hand if you have been diagnosed autistic because you are bad at socialising and are very intense on particular things. Then you shouldn't have special treatment. In fact that could be an advantage. Some people say Einstein or Bill Gates was autistic. They definitely didn't need special treatment to become the greatest scientist, or richest man alive.

That's why I was saying that it's important not just to use the name "autistic" but to describe exactly what your problems are. Because the label autistic covers a range of "abnormal" brain activities.

I don't think that's particularly controversial is it?

Also see this article about if ADD really exists or is it too a catch-all word for lots of different problems.


Of course the help should be tailored to what you need, and that is what the disability department is there for, they are not there to give you an advantage over everyone else. Of course if all you want to do with your time is the subject you are doing then that'll be a good thing in that respect, but what about if someone as an intense interest in something other than their subject? That'll be detrimental to them. It may be that they want to do their course but are too easily sidetracked to their other interest, and I think you too quickly rule out how much of a disadvantage being bad at socialising can be. A lot of courses require people to be able to work with other people, which I will admit a lot of people struggle with anyway, but it will likely be worse for someone considered to have autism.
Everyone gets slightly different support due to the fact that their autism will effect them in different ways. I know someone who's autistic, thinking of going uni in September and doesn't feel like he'll need anymore help than exam arrangements, and that's fine. On the other hand someone may feel they need to see someone every week or two to help them with organisation or time management, and that's also fine. The OP never said how their autism effects them, so it's hard to say what help they'll need.
I although also feel that if someone struggles with something badly they should get help regardless of if they have a disability or not. Being someone who got a diagnosis late it was always hard when things would effect me in certain ways and they were never taken seriously, I was just told to get over them, which is not helpful but someone with a diagnosis of something is always more likely to have certain issues because they wouldn't have got a diagnosis otherwise.
Original post by KiwiMonkey96
Of course the help should be tailored to what you need, and that is what the disability department is there for, they are not there to give you an advantage over everyone else. Of course if all you want to do with your time is the subject you are doing then that'll be a good thing in that respect, but what about if someone as an intense interest in something other than their subject? That'll be detrimental to them. It may be that they want to do their course but are too easily sidetracked to their other interest, and I think you too quickly rule out how much of a disadvantage being bad at socialising can be. A lot of courses require people to be able to work with other people, which I will admit a lot of people struggle with anyway, but it will likely be worse for someone considered to have autism.
Everyone gets slightly different support due to the fact that their autism will effect them in different ways. I know someone who's autistic, thinking of going uni in September and doesn't feel like he'll need anymore help than exam arrangements, and that's fine. On the other hand someone may feel they need to see someone every week or two to help them with organisation or time management, and that's also fine. The OP never said how their autism effects them, so it's hard to say what help they'll need.
I although also feel that if someone struggles with something badly they should get help regardless of if they have a disability or not. Being someone who got a diagnosis late it was always hard when things would effect me in certain ways and they were never taken seriously, I was just told to get over them, which is not helpful but someone with a diagnosis of something is always more likely to have certain issues because they wouldn't have got a diagnosis otherwise.


OK, Well maybe I won't be so quick to judge in the future.

Probably comes from people trying to tell me (including one of my friends who was diagnosed as autistic) that I'm autistic just because I'm apparently bad at socialising. Makes you wonder how scientific it all is.
Original post by noobynoo

I find it strange that someone can be diagnosed with autism yet have absolutely no interest in the current research on autism. That's all.

PS. I have friends who are diagnosed as autistic and yet they get on fine in life without special treatment. So not all diagnosed autistic people need special treatment as goes to show.

Also, I have friends who not autistic but are thick as a plank of wood. Maybe they should get more special treatment? Since they will do worse in life probably.


As I didn't see this bit at first I'll just point out that I did sort of answer this bit in my other post when help should always be given on what you actually need and not what you want and that everyone, whether they have a diagnosis or not should be entitled to help if they need it at certain points, which they usually can get if they ask lecturers. Some people are naturally better at a subject than others, but there are somethings that prevent you from doing as well as you should be able to. I have had extra help on certain issues because I need it, but I have worked hard to revise for my exams and do my coursework, no one has done them for me, I did them myself. If it wasn't for this help I wouldn't still be in uni and considering in my 3 exams I got 95, 98 and 99 I'm clearly not bad at it.
Original post by noobynoo
OK, Well maybe I won't be so quick to judge in the future.

Probably comes from people trying to tell me (including one of my friends who was diagnosed as autistic) that I'm autistic just because I'm apparently bad at socialising. Makes you wonder how scientific it all is.


Fair enough. I agree people try and lable things too much these days, but it's always important to remember that there was a reason why there is such a thing, and that it does have effect on people. The people I've meet with such conditions usually aren't trying to get more than they deserve ☺.

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