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C4, Integerate Sin3xCos2x

Checked answer and it was simplified down to

sin3xcos2x

1/2(sin5x + sinx)

= 1/2(-1/5cos5x - cosx) + c

= -1/10(cos5x +5cosx) + c


I used all the Cos2x identities and it still won't simplify to that answer.

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Reply 1
Original post by verify360
Checked answer and it was simplified down to

sin3xcos2x

1/2(sin5x + sinx)

= 1/2(-1/5cos5x - cosx) + c

= -1/10(cos5x +5cosx) + c


I used all the Cos2x identities and it still won't simplify to that answer.


Don't use cos2x identities!

Look in your formula booklet for a formula for converting sinAcosB into the sum of 2 other trig functions, then integrate this :smile:
Original post by verify360
Checked answer and it was simplified down to

sin3xcos2x

1/2(sin5x + sinx)

= 1/2(-1/5cos5x - cosx) + c

= -1/10(cos5x +5cosx) + c


I used all the Cos2x identities and it still won't simplify to that answer.


it is not that.... it is this:

http://www.onlinemathlearning.com/image-files/product-to-sum.gif
Reply 3
Original post by davros
Don't use cos2x identities!

Look in your formula booklet for a formula for converting sinAcosB into the sum of 2 other trig functions, then integrate this :smile:



Original post by verify360
Checked answer and it was simplified down to

sin3xcos2x

1/2(sin5x + sinx)

= 1/2(-1/5cos5x - cosx) + c

= -1/10(cos5x +5cosx) + c


I used all the Cos2x identities and it still won't simplify to that answer.



the method suggested is the standard "sensible method for this type of trigonometric integral, however double integration also works!
Reply 4
Original post by davros
Don't use cos2x identities!

Look in your formula booklet for a formula for converting sinAcosB into the sum of 2 other trig functions, then integrate this :smile:

That wasn't in the formula book as I'm doing C4 OCR. Do I still need to know it?
Reply 5
Also how would you integrate (x+1)e^(x^2+2x) ?

That's e to the power of x squared + 2x (in case I wrote it wrong).

Answer is 1/2.e^(x^2+2x)
Reply 6
Original post by verify360
That wasn't in the formula book as I'm doing C4 OCR. Do I still need to know it?


this is no longer in any formula booklets
you have to derive it, which is very easy
Reply 7
Original post by verify360
That wasn't in the formula book as I'm doing C4 OCR. Do I still need to know it?


I'd be very surprised if it isn't somewhere in OCR C1-C4 - it's a very standard technique! Check your chapters on trig identities :smile:

Original post by verify360
Also how would you integrate (x+1)e^(x^2+2x) ?

That's e to the power of x squared + 2x (in case I wrote it wrong).

Answer is 1/2.e^(x^2+2x)


you should be able to do this almost by recognition! What would you get if you differentiated e^(x^2 + 2x)? Can you see why this helps?
Integration by parts
Reply 9
Original post by TeeEm
this is no longer in any formula booklets
you have to derive it, which is very easy

They're in the Edexcel and AQA formula booklets.
Reply 10
Original post by davros
I'd be very surprised if it isn't somewhere in OCR C1-C4 - it's a very standard technique! Check your chapters on trig identities :smile:



you should be able to do this almost by recognition! What would you get if you differentiated e^(x^2 + 2x)? Can you see why this helps?

After I differentiate it I get (2x +2) then when I times that by (x +1) I get 2x^2+2x+2. What would you do from there?
Reply 11
Original post by notnek
They're in the Edexcel and AQA formula booklets.


sinAsinB = ... is not

sinA + sinB = ... is there
Original post by verify360
Also how would you integrate (x+1)e^(x^2+2x) ?

That's e to the power of x squared + 2x (in case I wrote it wrong).

Answer is 1/2.e^(x^2+2x)


ddxex2+2x=(2x+2)ex2+2x\dfrac{d}{dx}e^{x^2+2x}=(2x+2)e^{x^2+2x}

I suppose you could substitute but it should just be something you can recognise.
Reply 13
Original post by helloworld786
Integration by parts

Thanks! The ans. for some reason did not have it.
Reply 14
Original post by verify360
After I differentiate it I get (2x +2) then when I times that by (x +1) I get 2x^2+2x+2. What would you do from there?


Why have you multiplied 2x+2 by x+1? See keromedic's update for the correct working!

Suggest you speak to your teacher tomorrow if this isn't clear :smile:
Original post by helloworld786
Integration by parts


How would that help?

I'm honestly asking.
(edited 9 years ago)
Reply 16
Original post by verify360
Thanks! The ans. for some reason did not have it.


That's because the "answer" is using the technique I explained above i.e, formula for converting product of 2 trig functions into a sum :smile:
Reply 17
Original post by verify360
That wasn't in the formula book as I'm doing C4 OCR. Do I still need to know it?

In the OCR formula book there is this which you can use:

sinA+sinB=2sinA+B2cosAB2\displaystyle \sin A + \sin B = 2\sin \frac{A+B}{2}\cos\frac{A-B}{2}
Reply 18
Original post by davros
That's because the "answer" is using the technique I explained above i.e, formula for converting product of 2 trig functions into a sum :smile:

It helped answer my 2nd question, not the trig one.
I've just tried it now and can't do it by parts. Was this on an OCR C4 past paper because the solution davros presented (although perfectly correct) is not on the C3/C4 OCR spec

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