Why have British people turned their back on Labour?

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The Labour party of today has nothing to do with the Labour party that was founded in 1906.

well they should thank god for that, because the party that split off from them for becoming the establishment has achieved a grand total of 0.0004% of the vote.

they were essentially minicommunists

Reply 61

theroyalwhigs

Original post by DarrenBCFC

1. Labour is not chavvy it is for the working class- meaning that they stand up for the very poorest in society, and under the tories it is better off to be on benefits then the minimum wage for families, so you cant really say labour are chavs if anything the tories are- remember you have to hug an hoodie and cut the police so crime goes up.

Original post by DarrenBCFC

One other thing at least you are not like the other tories who blame labour for the recession in 2008ish which would of happened with any party in Parliament

No. I think there happened to be left-wing collations in governments throughout Europe and people just rebelled to right-wing collations. But Labour didn't do a good job in Britain during their rule.

Reply 62

ChaoticButterfly

Original post by majeed_ullah

Well I am soooooo glad conservatives won the general election :smile:

The strongest reason of all is that last time they destroyed the country financially. They left the biggest financial mess you could imagine. Its still the same people there, they will just do it again. In fact, and I was stunned to have proof before the election, Ed Milliband stated at the last TV leaders debate that the last labour government did not spend too much money. Proof that they will do it again if they get into power. ## Conservative ###

Because they think like this guy.

Reply 63

The_Mighty_Bush

Original post by ChaoticButterfly

Because they think like this guy.

He didn't say anything wrong though. His only mistake is thinking that the Conservatives will actually be able to fix the situation. They can only be marginally better than Labour on dealing with the public sector problem unless they completely disregard their desire to get re-elected.

Reply 64

DarrenBCFC

Original post by theroyalwhigs

I just reread my post and I want to apologise because my English was awful!

1) I said this before. Surely the lower class want stronger Conservative Socialist policies? Labour is some random mess right now.

I'm not saying Tories are the perfect party, but Labour don't seem to be catering for lower classes. They have stopped paying attention to their roots and who their core voter base is.

No. I think there happened to be left-wing collations in governments throughout Europe and people just rebelled to right-wing collations. But Labour didn't do a good job in Britain during their rule.

for the conservative socialist no - no lower class person wants the tories in power as they become worse off- and cameron doesnt care if businesses evade tax because this will give them a reason to cut welfare and increase VAT. Labour need Skinner as leader he would beat cameron with ease but is far too old

Reply 65

DarrenBCFC

Original post by mooo

Although I agree with a lot of what you say, labour needs to be a party for the many and not just for the poor. It needs to appeal to the middle class and the pro business millionaires, its needs to therefore work for all there interests meaning yes they're should be tax cuts to millionaires the top rate tax should be lowered, after all they are the all important wealth creators.

I can assure you the majority of millionaires get away around paying tax and pay less then someone who just beats the 10k cap

Reply 66

KimKallstrom

Original post by mooo

Honestly what a distasteful thing to say, its scum like you who sow the seeds of divide in society, shame on you.

Yeah, I'm the one who does it, not the people actually doing the raping..........and the covering up of it...........and the defending of which we have literally seen on this forum from Muslims..............and the victim blaming which we have also seen....................it's me.

K, Baws.

Reply 67

username1738683

Original post by DarrenBCFC

I can assure you the majority of millionaires get away around paying tax and pay less then someone who just beats the 10k cap

Really? You'll hardly pay any tax if 'just beating 10k' and the threshold is going up even further under the Tories. What about all the VAT millionaires fork out in their consumption of goods, the money they pay the window-cleaner and gardener, housekeeper, swimming pools and all those luxuries, a lot of tax from all that too. Holidays, mistresses with their pads and cars, so many things...

Reply 68

username1738683

Everyone calls Labour the party 'for the poor' but it was under them that the roof-tax shot up like never before or since after 97, whether you're rich or poor. They will always be the party of spend-and-tax, the challenge for the implementation of their social agenda will always be their ability to manage the economy to pay for it.

In that respect, many people don't believe they will ever be able to. That may have been the main thing about the Conservative majority.

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Reply 69

Mick.w

Original post by Catholic_

Labour have suffered their worst election result since 1987.

What has happened since the early 90's and early 2000's for people to turn their backs on voting for the Labour party?

Ed Miliband stepped down as Labour leader on Friday after the party’s worst general election defeat since Margaret Thatcher’s final victory in 1987.“This is not a speech I wanted to make,”

he said in a Westminster hall just after noon on Friday. “I take absolute and total responsibility for the result.”

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/263584b0-f4fd-11e4-abb5-00144feab7de.html#axzz3Za0fJ5hB

for me.
education got increasingly desk based and sedentary. it was better for girls than boys.

they were the ones to first privatize the nhs

they just opened the gates in terms of immigration.

they lost much of the apprenticeships and made it so that u had to go to uni when u previously just had to get apprenticeships.

got us involved in the iraq and afghanistan conflicts. which we marched against.

making us targets for terrorism. and arguably creating the void to be filled by ISIS

developed a society that hated youngsters. and essentially made many children discriminated and segregated.

a society where white poor and working classes were betrayed, were not represented, were pushed to the back of priority and demonized as chavs.

Reply 70

Bag of Peanuts

Original post by Snagprophet

I thought it was more Labour turning it's back on the British people.

hahha.

Reply 71

Bag of Peanuts

Oh this thread is 6 days old. Well whatever.

Reply 72

Fullofsurprises

Original post by MancStudent098

Actually the Labour party took a larger share of the vote than last time and the Conservatives gain in vote share was smaller than the Labour one. What happenened mostly has to do with the weirdness of the FPTP system and changes in the party political landscape:

The SNP took most Labour seats in Scotland, because they are concentrated just in Scotland and were the main party of opposition there anyway this wasn't a big swing in vote terms but it hit Labour hard. Outside of Scotland Labour actually gained seats.

The Lib Dems totally collapsed. I many places the race had previously been Lib Dem-Tory. With the Lib Dems out of the picture there was no effective challenge to Tory MPs.

Yes, it was like a sort of national version of tactical voting. The Scots kept Labour out by voting SNP and the LibDems went Tory in the South West.

2010: Labour got 8.6m votes and 29%.
2015: Labour got 9.3m votes and 30%.

It's all about where you get the votes and how concentrated they are. The Tories just crossed a magic threshold.

However, I do think it's also the case that probably many of the people who said they would vote Labour to pollsters simply stayed at home on the night. The turnout in England was down.

Both big parties ran a disengaged, lacklustre campaign. In the end, people believed the Tories could run the economy and continued to distrust Labour on that score and bought into the clever Tory (and LibDem) lie that Labour had caused the financial crash. At the same time, the electorate dumping the LibDems as dramatically as they did took away one of the main reasons Labour had done well nationally under Blair, since the LibDems split off Tory votes in the South West especially.

We have a new political landscape and progressives will have to work much harder and smarter to win UK elections in future. The SNP will have to get smarter too, they gained the seats but at the cost of a workable alliance with Labour in Westminster, due to their strident rhetoric.

Reply 73

caravaggio2

Original post by Mick.w

Summed it up well.
I was reading in t'Gruniad the other day where a columnist tacked head on the charge of them all being part of an out of touch metropolitan elite. As I read it I thought well at least they are admitting what one of their biggest problems were with the public, but then she flatly denied it. Its all a misconception apparently. Its the public that got it wrong, not them.
An interesting snippet in todays paper saying the swing of ethnic minorities from Labour to Conservative played a major part

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Reply 74

nulli tertius

Original post by caravaggio2

An interesting snippet in todays paper saying the swing of ethnic minorities from Labour to Conservative played a major part

One of the real challenges to Labour is the extent that this election has destroyed any idea that it has a core vote that will support it regardless of whether Labour's policies serve its interest.

In the past Labour could have advocated a policy of free skinny lattes for everyone within the M25 and it would still have obtained the Scottish Catholic, Northern and Welsh industrial and BME vote.

That has gone. Labour is scrapping for every vote.

Reply 75

ibzombie96

Original post by DarrenBCFC

If Miliband was too left wing to win over the country (along with Kinnock, Foot, et al.) how do you think Skinner would be more popular?

Reply 76

The_Mighty_Bush

Original post by ibzombie96

If Miliband was too left wing to win over the country (along with Kinnock, Foot, et al.) how do you think Skinner would be more popular?

He doesn't think. He believes.

Reply 77

DarrenBCFC

Original post by ibzombie96

If Miliband was too left wing to win over the country (along with Kinnock, Foot, et al.) how do you think Skinner would be more popular?

How many times as skinner got to the tories with no answers -countless times , they answer a different question to what he asks most of the time. Also his rants he would not tolerate camerons bull**** - he put thatcher away a few times in the 70's

Reply 78

Ren10

It's a long story but the improvements in the 1950s made by Atlee's modern liberal government meant that lots of Labour voters moved up in position and did well in life so bought homes and cars. This eventually meant that lots of voters because Conservative and turned their back on Labour, then Labour had serious fractions within itself and struggled to get elected again. In the end they decided to abandon their socialist roots and embrace the free market, thus becoming sell outs and not much different to the Conservatives. Now it's mainly because people are angry at Labour's betrayal and disillusioned.