circumcision

Gosh, that's a bit extreme!

a circumsized male is less likely to suffer from infections and in some cases is thought to increase sexual pleasure.
personally i think uncirumsised men just look wierd
female circumsistion is often thought to increase risk of infection and the cutting of the cliterios dramatically reduces female pleasure. also female circumsition includes things like the sowing up of the vaginal opening to prevent a girl having sex before her wedding night.

I think some vaginas look like they got mauled by a pitbull and came off worse. But what are you gonna do. Just because you don't like it it isn't weird. It's NATURAL.

And there are more nerve endings inside a foreskin. If the foreskin is removed, so are the nerve endings. How in the world does that equate to MORE sexual pleasure. You know how subtraction works?

i think you're too polite .. IMO, that's way too extreme

People get "uppity" about it because their bodies have been mutilated - to use the rather emotive but still accurate term - or surgically altered without their consent.

& you seem rather harsh on your 'friend'.

I should think the links in my earlier post qualify as 'anything'; if there isn't a support group for damaged men, there should be.

Not only is it illegal in the UK, it's illegal for a UK citizen to go abroad and do the procedure on a girl/woman.

I was referring to uncircumcised people getting uppity, I've yet to meet a circumcised man with genuine grievences. I mean if we, the "victims" don't have a problem with it why should you?

Usually I've found people's condemnation arises from their being ill-informed. The worst are these people who've already made up their mind and then go read sensationalist propaganda literature poorly masquerading as "information pages".

The oven comment was an expression and he's not my friend. My point was that the impetus behind his complaints are not genuine. He's making an issue out of a non-issue IMO. Much like some here.

Why is it OK to snip boys' genitals but not girls'? As long as it's hygenic, I see no moral difference between male and female genital cutting.

No offence meant, but you're ill-informed.

I have a BA in IR/African Studies and have taken a number of classes that address the issue. Having written a few research papers on the practice and having read a number of books on the topic, I'd say I'm probably the most informed person on the practice posting here.

And given the diversity in the way female genital cutting is done, I don't accept that putting a nick in a girl's clitoris (common in West Africa) is somehow morally worse than cutting off the foreskin of a boy. In the same way, any practice that involves unsanitary instruments and excessive bleeding is morally wrong for any gender.

Yes, it is. But some people born jewish don't know it so they remain un-circumcised, but in the eyes of the religion it's required. It's 8 days old in Judaism and i "think" 13 years old in Islam. Looks like Judaism got the better deal

How was I to know that? To me you're just another person on the internet with opinions, and I think the objectivity on the internet that not knowing people's identity creates is a good thing. We're all allowed opinions and just because yours might be the most well-informed it doesn't mean it overrides all of ours...but it's good that you're sharing it still.

You seem to be only considering one of the methods of female circumcision, the one which sounds the least extreme, when from what I'd read*, there appear to be many more methods that cause much more distress (at the time of the procedure and during life).

*admittedly isn't as much as you - a number of articles, internet research and Ayaan Hirsi Ali interviews, but I'm not going into this discussion blind.

Cutting off a boy's foreskin is comparable to cutting off a girl's clitoral hood, since they are analogous body parts.

If both these procedures are done under the exact same conditions (regarding hygiene, anesthetic, etc.), then they are morally equal, yes?

Yep and both equally wrong (assuming no medical reason).

I am so confused.

Please help me I'm 15 years old and I cant tell if my penis is circumcised or not.

I'm muslim so I'm guessing it is, but when my penis is not erected it does not look like the circumcised penis' I have seen in diagrams (I've been researching this).

Its not the same. Removing the foreskin increases sexual pleasure as it exposes the nerve endings in the head immediately. Removing the clitros reduces any sexual pleasure a woman could enjoy.