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Referring to Allah as a "she"

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    I've noticed that when I occasionally use the feminine pronoun in reference to Allah with the purpose of jarring people out of their parochial thinking, there seems to be an irrationally indignant or angry response. Why is this?

    Yes, Allah may refer to Herself/Itself as "He" in the Quran, but muslims themselves concede that He has no gender. So if She/It has no gender and yet chooses to refer to himself as a He, why can't a She be used instead? Moreover, is there even any verse in the Quran saying that the feminine form shouldn't be used?

    I remember one muslim even said that using the feminine pronoun was disrespectful, implying that women are somehow less worthy of respect than men. Said member could not rationally justify why it was "disrespectful".

    If muslims want to be ultra correct, then shouldn't they refer to Allah as "It"?
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    I think the proper way to address it would be "it", since he or she without a doubt hints at a particular gender. However, if the muslims think using "he" is OK, there's no reason "she" shouldn't be ok.
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    Aren't women highly regarded/respected in Islam though? Surely if women are so highly regarded and respected, the greatest honour they could apply to Allah is to associate him with the highly regarded/respected pronoun, "she"?
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    (Original post by Hickory Dickory)
    I think the proper way to address it would be "it", since he or she without a doubt hints at a particular gender. However, if the muslims think using "he" is OK, there's no reason "she" shouldn't be ok.
    But then could religious people continue justifying the medieval belief of men "owning" their wives and being able to beat them and demand sex from them etc.? It seems to be that the concept of male domination has stemmed from a dominating God, who although genderless, is so desperate to be male that it calls itself He.
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    (Original post by The Epicurean)
    Aren't women highly regarded/respected in Islam though? Surely if women are so highly regarded and respected, the greatest honour they could apply to Allah is to associate him with the highly regarded/respected pronoun, "she"?
    I think this is one of the greatest paradoxes the Quran/Hadeeth contain in terms of social commentaries. Many say that muslimas are treated like Queens, yet they flinch at Allah being called "She" as well as there being numerous verses about women being inferior to men and less deserving.
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    Apparently, I have an uncle who thinks Allah is a woman.
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    Allah refers to himself as He in the Quran.
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    (Original post by jedanselemyia)
    Apparently, I have an uncle who thinks Allah is a woman.
    Could he be thinking of Al-lat? It was a goddess considered a daughter of Allah that was then considered supreme god of pagan Arabs before the creation of Islam and its borrowing of the name.
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    (Original post by Kyou)
    Allah refers to himself as He in the Quran.
    I addressed that point in the 2nd paragraph of the OP.
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    I addressed that point in the 2nd paragraph of the OP.
    Yeah, but that's the only reason Muslims need. Yeah sure, Muslims say that He has no gender. However, Allah specifically refers to himself as a He, not a she or it. And because Muslims believe that the word of Allah is absolute, we refer to Him as a He.
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    (Original post by Kyou)
    Yeah, but that's the only reason Muslims need. Yeah sure, Muslims say that He has no gender. However, Allah specifically refers to himself as a He, not a she or it. And because Muslims believe that the word of Allah is absolute, we refer to Him as a He.
    But you can't even use the instance to say "the word is absolute" because you've just conceded that Allah has no gender. Thus, the use of "He" is metaphorical and cannot be considered as correct unless you're willing to contradict yourself.
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    (Original post by Kyou)
    Allah refers to himself as He in the Quran.
    If Allah is a he, then where is Mrs Allah?

    If men are created in the image of God, why did God need to create women as well? Surely women are nothing but hussy trouble and a tiresome burden on men who don't need them anyway.

    God knew that he has no need of sex to procreate so why force that stuff on men?
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    (Original post by Kyou)
    Yeah, but that's the only reason Muslims need. Yeah sure, Muslims say that He has no gender. However, Allah specifically refers to himself as a He, not a she or it. And because Muslims believe that the word of Allah is absolute, we refer to Him as a He.
    How can Allah's word be absolute when it is contradictory?

    Allah absolutely has no gender, yet Allah absolutely is a He :mmm:

    And you wonder why people can't take Islam and many of its followers seriously
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    Purely as a social observation, I would like to point out two things:

    1) When two groups are at war, most of the time they spend within their own group berating a caricature of the other.

    and more importantly

    2) While discussing said opponents, it seems really immature to post an argument, then laugh about how weak the response will be before it has been posted. This is like a time-travelling straw man.

    The particular poster in question was wrong, anyone making the same mistake does deserve to see this thread and realise that. Mocking them before they've realised they're wrong does not help anyone.
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    But then could religious people continue justifying the medieval belief of men "owning" their wives and being able to beat them and demand sex from them etc.? It seems to be that the concept of male domination has stemmed from a dominating God, who although genderless, is so desperate to be male that it calls itself He.
    Yeah, and that's why I said there "shouldn't be" any issues, which assumes men and women are equal. Now, if someone has a different idea about gender equality, "she" is definitely not going to work for them.

    Once again, it shows the patriarchy that is dominant/promoted in islam.
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    I've noticed that when I occasionally use the feminine pronoun in reference to Allah with the purpose of jarring people out of their parochial thinking, there seems to be an irrationally indignant or angry response. Why is this?

    Yes, Allah may refer to Herself as "He" in the Quran, but muslims themselves concede that He has no gender. So if She has no gender and yet chooses to refer to himself as a He, why can't a She be used instead? Moreover, is there even any verse in the Quran saying that the feminine form shouldn't be used?

    I remember one muslim even said that using the feminine pronoun was disrespectful, implying that women are somehow less worthy of respect than men. Said member could not rationally justify why it was "disrespectful".

    If muslims want to be ultra correct, then shouldn't they refer to Allah as "It"?
    There's nothing wrong with 'she'. Allah is just referred as 'he' that's probably why people find it disrespectful although they shouldn't because that's just sexist imo.


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    (Original post by Rat_Bag)
    How can Allah's word be absolute when it is contradictory?

    Allah absolutely has no gender, yet Allah absolutely is a He :mmm:

    And you wonder why people can't take Islam and many of its followers seriously
    Allah isn't male. In Arabic, Allah refers to himself as هو; a male pronoun. However unlike English, the Arabic male pronoun doesn't imply gender. English doesn't have an appropriate pronoun which can be used in the same way the Arabic one can. In English, 'He' is the closest to that; so that's what the people use when translating the Quran.
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    But you can't even use the instance to say "the word is absolute" because you've just conceded that Allah has no gender. Thus, the use of "He" is metaphorical and cannot be considered as correct unless you're willing to contradict yourself.
    (Original post by Kyou)
    Allah isn't male. In Arabic, Allah refers to himself as هو; a male pronoun. However unlike English, the Arabic male pronoun doesn't imply gender. English doesn't have an appropriate pronoun which can be used in the same way the Arabic one can. In English, 'He' is the closest to that; so that's what the people use when translating the Quran.
    That answer your question .
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    (Original post by Kyou)
    Allah isn't male. In Arabic, Allah refers to himself as هو; a male pronoun. However unlike English, the Arabic male pronoun doesn't imply gender. English doesn't have an appropriate pronoun which can be used in the same way the Arabic one can. In English, 'He' is the closest to that; so that's what the people use when translating the Quran.
    So you can use the male pronoun with reference to a woman?
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    This reminds me of the uproar people got into when the Nereverine was referred to as "he" in Solstheim.

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