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Would you call this man a 'terrorist'?

An American man who stood in elections for the US Congress has admitted plotting to attack a Muslim community, shooting residents and burning down a mosque.

Robert R. Doggart, 63, was arrested by the FBI before he could carry out the plan to “utterly destroy” Islamberg, a village in New York state.

Posts on his Facebook page, tapped phone calls and conversations with police sources revealed the plot to attack on 15 April, setting fire to key buildings and killing anyone who resisted with guns or machetes.

According to a plea agreement filed at the US District Court of the Eastern District of Tennessee, Doggart wrote a Facebook post in February saying:
Target 3 [Islamberg] is vulnerable from many approaches and must be utterly destroyed.


He met several co-conspirators in different parts of the state, justifying the carnage by claiming that residents were “planning a terrorist attack”, legal documents published by Heavy said.

They planned to burn down buildings including a mosque, a school and a cafeteria, shooting anyone who tried to stop them.

In a phone call to an FBI source on 6 March, Doggart was recorded saying:
Those guys have to be killed. Their buildings need to be burnt down. If we can get in there and do that not losing a man, even the better.


He issued advice on guns, telling people to arm themselves with AR-15 and M-16 rifles.

Doggart, who ran as an independent candidate for the 4th Congressional District of Tennessee in 2014, admitted planning to carry an M4 carbine and offered to arm the FBI source with “the meanest shotgun on Earth”.

According to an affidavit seen by Sky News, he was recorded saying in a telephone conversation:
We will burn down their buildings (and) if anyone attempts to, uh, harm us in any way, our stand gunner will take them down from 350 yards away. The standoff gunner would be me.


We're gonna be carrying an M4 with 500 rounds of ammunition, light armour piercing, a pistol with three extra magazines, and a machete.

And if it gets down to the machete, we will cut them to shreds.


As the “standoff gunner”, Doggart would have shot the residents of Islamberg, his lawyers wrote in the plea agreement.

The village, in Delaware County, is a predominantly Muslim religious community and has been the target of persistent claims from right-wing groups about alleged jihadist terrorist camps.

Earlier this year, the local police department said it was “perplexed” by the allegations and had seen no evidence supporting them on several visits.

Muhammad Matthew Gardner, a spokesperson for the Muslims of America group based in Islamberg, told Sky News:
Doggart is an example of the results of unchecked and rampant Islamophobia which has spread lies for years about our peaceful community.

All would agree, if a Muslim did this, the perpetrator would be immediately identified as a terrorist then prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.


Doggart was arrested on 10 April in Signal Mountain, Tennessee, and has admitted one count of interstate communication of threats, which can be punished with up to five years imprisonment and a $250,000 (£160,000) fine.



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/former-us-congress-candidate-admits-plan-to-utterly-destroy-muslim-village-in-gun-attack-10257891.html
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Reply 1
Yes, I believe that would fit the bill for "terrorist".
Oui
Nope
Definitely
Original post by scorpion95
Nope


Why not?
Reply 7
I think most of the british and american troops could easily be classed as terrorists.
I appreciate their sacrifice but it does NOT negate the fact that TWO STRONG countries attacked a weak one, detained its civilians without trial and massacred their people. https://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/ over 150,000 dead? i call that genocide.
Reply 8
I believe terrorism entails nowadays some political aspiration, I wouldn't class this as terrorism tbh.
Original post by Jory
I think most of the british and american troops could easily be classed as terrorists.


No, they couldn't. I suggest you go look up the definition of the word.
Reply 10
No
Reply 11
Original post by Duncan2012
No, they couldn't. I suggest you go look up the definition of the word.


terroristˈtɛrərɪst/Submitnouna person who uses terrorism in the pursuit of political aims."a terrorist organization"
terrorismˈtɛrərɪzəm/noun

1.

the unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims."the fight against terrorism"


The only difference is, the violence was authorised.
Yes.

definatly a potential terrorist, most likely though inspired to commit crimes of hate due to the existence of islamic terrorism and islamist doctrine - which is an additional ancilary problem islamist create
Original post by Chakede
definatly a potential terrorist, most likely though inspired to commit crimes of hate due to the existence of islamic terrorism and islamist doctrine - which is an additional ancilary problem islamist create


Don't try and make excuses for him. He is a terrorist and I'm glad he was caught.

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Original post by Jory
terroristˈtɛrərɪst/Submitnouna person who uses terrorism in the pursuit of political aims."a terrorist organization"
terrorismˈtɛrərɪzəm/noun

1.

the unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims."the fight against terrorism"

The only difference is, the violence was authorised.


Exactly. That authorisation makes all the difference. British soldiers cannot be described as terrorists as their actions are carried out legitimately on behalf of the state. The British army has no political aims. "War is the continuation of politics by other means" - Clausewitz
Original post by Enginerd.
Don't try and make excuses for him. He is a terrorist and I'm glad he was caught.

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its not excuses , its fact. for this one guy in usa there are probably a million potential terrorists in the islamic world inspired by islamic dogmas. the more problems generaed in the islamic world, the more likely the crazies everywhere else will be feel the need to react against them - causing further problems for normal society
Original post by Chakede
its not excuses , its fact. for this one guy in usa there are probably a million potential terrorists in the islamic world inspired by islamic dogmas. the more problems generaed in the islamic world, the more likely the crazies everywhere else will be feel the need to react against them - causing further problems for normal society


Okay, boss.

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Reply 18
According to British and American people because he's not a Muslim and doesn't come from a Muslim country, he probably wouldn't be regarded as a terrorist. Because apparently, every terrorist is a Muslim. Or should I say, every Muslim is a terrorist. Complete stupidity.

This man is a terrorist in my eyes.

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Yes, It's domestic terrorism.

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