Guardian University League Tables 2016

Expectations of what, though? Do you think it is only students attending Russell Group universities that want, for example, a library with enough books, their work marked on-time and prompt feedback?

Well it is not as simple as that. At an RG university, some of these things may be taken for granted while at other institutions a remarkable improvement in teaching/feedback/facilities etc.

Well it is not as simple as that. At an RG university, some of these things may be taken for granted...

and also mightn't be delivered on. I studied at three Russell Group universities and have taught at two more. What too many VIth formers fail to recognise is that there's sometimes or often a tension between good research and good teaching. First, the person who is passionate about her research may find the teaching only an irritating distraction from that. Second, the fancypants universities have to privilege research capacity over teaching ability in making appointments. And indeed most appointments are made without a teaching demonstration. But at a less storied institution, there might be more leeway to keep on the guy who is never really going to finish that book he's been writing for a decade but who is conscientious with the undergrads and a good sort about departmental duties.

Choose a university with a stellar research rating and the effect that specifically this is going to have on your undergraduate education is cancelled lectures because Professor Bigshot is giving the keynote in Wisconsin. Never mind, though, we'll have directed reading with a Latvian doctorial student.

and also mightn't be delivered on. I studied at three Russell Group universities and have taught at two more. What too many VIth formers fail to recognise is that there's sometimes or often a tension between good research and good teaching. First, the person who is passionate about her research may find the teaching only an irritating distraction from that. Second, the fancypants universities have to privilege research capacity over teaching ability in making appointments. And indeed most appointments are made without a teaching demonstration. But at a less storied institution, there might be more leeway to keep on the guy who is never really going to finish that book he's been writing for a decade but who is conscientious with the undergrads and a good sort about departmental duties.

Choose a university with a stellar research rating and the effect that specifically this is going to have on your undergraduate education is cancelled lectures because Professor Bigshot is giving the keynote in Wisconsin. Never mind, though, we'll have directed reading with a Latvian doctorial student.

Satisfied with course
Satisfied with teaching
Satisfied with feedback

those are subjective metrics which should not have been incorporated in the criteria. Those skewed the results somehow. Nonetheless, the data were informative.

I'm surprised KCL climbed 4 notches up to make it to #36. Huge jump for KCL!!! With this development, I'm sure our friend on here who's actually from Nigeria, Africa, must be Rolling On the Floor Laughing (ROFL) now... lol...

The Guardian is never good for an accurate judgement, but good for a rough guidance considering you know your ****. LSE being ranked 13th? Unlikely, but Surrey to 4th? That shows good consistentcy considering theyre also high up in the complete university guide.

Coventry and kent above Notts and Manchester??! you're joking right

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Why not? Because Manchester and Notts are older and have prettier buildings?

But what are you basing your qualifiers on? The fact that LSE 'sound better'? The fact that LSE is older and has prettier buildings?

No, butby the fact it has a high reputation and that most students end up becoming employeed in the best jobs. I mean theres a reason so many atudents are internationals. Put it this way, it may not deserve to be 5th but it doesnt deserve to be beating Coventry by only 2 places. I mean if manchester, notts and Edinburgh type of unis were making the top 25 then fair enough

Well it is not as simple as that. At an RG university, some of these things may be taken for granted while at other institutions a remarkable improvement in teaching/feedback/facilities etc.

League tables are not worth the paper they are printed on. The obsession some students have with them is bizarre.

Lets be honest everybody has their own preconceived ideas of what order the universities are ranked in. If they see a newspaper table that roughly agrees with that they will say the league table is good and place high emphasis on it, if they see a newspaper table that doesn't agree with their preconceived ideas then they think the table is rubbish.

Hence the tables have no value whatsoever, because they don't change peoples preconceived ideas.

If the Premier League table had the same level of credibility people would be saying stuff like LOL the table has Swansea, Stoke and Palace ahead of Everton LMAO shows how non credible that table is.