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They were posted at City boathouse, but hav ebeen taken down now- presumably for digitising. ccrcrowing.org still has nowt!

In other news, I managed a perfect line around grassy when going upstream on the way back- blades on strokeside less than 6 inches at one point from the moored boats. Whilst we were going half pressure. I'm proud of that!

Annoying this morning, though, lots of people playing silly buggers and I was trying to get a new crew together. I bumped Pembroke first women, but they didn't concede.

We don't seem to have any female boaties posting in here either, so formal swaps might be harder to arrange!

And in aswer to the question, pretty much everyone who wants to can row. Clare are considering making a mixed Eight for the people who couldn't get into the main boats- our number of rowers doesn't divide by eight, unfortunately...

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Ooh! Results for the Winter League are now up:

http://www.ccrcrowing.org.uk/downloa...eg_results.xls

Still no news on the Head To Head, though.

My boats were joint 9th and Joint 79th.

[afoneleri]

we've got three mens and (potentially) three womens boats - not bad for our size really, though M3 and W3 are for less serious boaties alltogether.

We (W1) held the Sidney men for speed on sunday. They kept pulling out to come by then pulling back in. Didn't do head to head, but i'd be interested to see how our men did.

Gah, we've an early tomorrow. It's supposed to be 2°C. not fun.

[*Joanna*]

(Original post by AppleCrumble)
Bit random, but how good do you have to be to get into a college boat? (I'm hopefully going to sidney, so its smallish that must better my chances lol)

Anyobdy who wants to try rowing can join a novice crew in Michaelmas, and if you want to continue after that there are two rowing camps at the start and end of the Christmas vacation. Clearly, the best people are selected for the upper boats (ie M1 and W1) but there is usually M3 which has rowers that are keen rather than brilliant. Women's rowing is a bit iffy- some terms have enough for an M2, last term there wasn't even enough for an M1. So yes, if you want to row, you can. Unless, as someone said, you're unreliable and don't turn up. I think we operate a 'three strikes and out' policy.

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Head to Head- College Eights results

I want to find the town crews, now...

College Men's VIIIs

Position Pos. in Cat. Crew Category 1st 2nd Overall
1 1 / 15 LMBC C1 8:32 10:14 18:46

2 2 / 15 FaT C1 8:41 10:30 19:11

3 3 / 15 Emmanuel C1 8:53 10:34 19:27

4 4 / 15 Pembroke C1 9:02 10:37 19:39

5 5 / 15 Churchill C1 8:51 10:51 19:42

6 6 / 15 Downing C1 9:05 10:40 19:45

7 7 / 15 Christs C1 9:03 10:53 19:56

8 8 / 15 Fitz C1 9:12 10:52 20:04

9 9 / 15 Kings C1 9:09 11:01 20:10

10 1 / 6 FaT C2 9:20 10:58 20:18

11 2 / 6 Pembroke C2 9:06 11:36 20:42

12= 10=/ 15 Trinity Hall C1 9:20 11:37 20:57

12= 10=/ 15 Girton C1 9:21 11:36 20:57

14= 12=/ 15 Peterhouse C1 9:39 11:43 21:22

14= 12=/ 15 Corpus Christi C1 9:36 11:46 21:22

16 3 / 6 LMBC C2 9:38 11:49 21:27

17 14 / 15 Darwin C1 9:58 12:02 22:00

18 4 / 6 Peterhouse C2 10:04 12:30 22:34

19 5 / 6 Kings C2 10:49 12:54 23:43

20 6 / 6 Fitz C2 10:46 13:21 24:07

21 15 / 15 Clare C1 9:35 - - (Rudder string snapped at full race pressure round grassy, leading to a close acquaintance with the bank...)

College Women's VIIIs

Position Pos. in Cat. Crew Category 1st 2nd Overall
1 1 / 12 Jesus C1 10:03 11:53 21:56

2 2 / 12 FaT C1 10:09 12:12 22:21

3 3 / 12 Clare C1 10:05 12:30 22:35

4 4 / 12 Emmanuel C1 10:12 12:38 23:00

5 5 / 12 LMBC C1 10:28 12:40 23:08

6 6 / 12 Pembroke C1 10:28 13:03 23:31

7 7 / 12 Christs C1 10:39 13:01 23:40

8 8 / 12 Downing C1 10:44 13:04 23:48

9 9 / 12 Newnham C1 10:40 13:10 23:50

10 10 / 12 Girton C1 10:43 12:11 23:54

11 11 / 12 Trinity Hall C1 11:21 13:21 24:42

12 1 / 2 FaT C2 11:11 13:33 24:44

13 12 / 12 Fitz C1 11:09 13:40 24:49

14 2 / 2 Girton C2 11:49 14:31 26:20

http://www.firstandthird.org/frames/...29:eventid.566

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Full Head To Head Results

CLICK ME!

I HOPE the sorting's right there.

Original:

http://www.ccrcrowing.org.uk/downloads/h2h_results.xls

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I'm impressed with my line around here...

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...65073604176059

(Simoco women, head to head leg 2)

[AppleCrumble]

Anyone have a rough guide on how good you have to be to get into the 1st boat for each college? say a certain time for a certain distance on a rowing machine or similar?
Just wondering, something to aim for lol

[Ditting Suck]

It varies wildly, both between colleges and from year-to-year.

Also, as the saying goes, 'ergs don't float'. There're people in my boat (2nd men at Maggie) that have faster 2ks than people in M1, but their rowing technique isn't as good.

[Ditting Suck]

*Double post*

[Willa]

(Original post by AppleCrumble)
Anyone have a rough guide on how good you have to be to get into the 1st boat for each college? say a certain time for a certain distance on a rowing machine or similar?
Just wondering, something to aim for lol

Generally, you have to be in approximately the top 8 in your college at rowing.

In seriousness though, if you use http://www.concept2.com/05/training/...weight_adj.asp
to calculate a weight adjusted 2k erg score, I would reckon most people in 1st VIII's will have weight adjusted scores of sub 6:10. Although there's probably a few with slower times than that.

And then of course, you have to be good in the boat -which can't really be quantified.

[ecila]

Slightly random question, someone told me that being tall gives you an advantage in rowing, any comments?

[Ditting Suck]

Yes, it does. All other things being equal, a taller person will make a better rower.

But that isn't to say that there aren't perfectly compenent, good and excellent rowers who are relatively short (especially lightweights). I'm the shortest in my boat; I still have the second fastest 2k.

[Helenia]

(Original post by Willa)
Generally, you have to be in approximately the top 8 in your college at rowing.

In seriousness though, if you use http://www.concept2.com/05/training/...weight_adj.asp
to calculate a weight adjusted 2k erg score, I would reckon most people in 1st VIII's will have weight adjusted scores of sub 6:10. Although there's probably a few with slower times than that.

And then of course, you have to be good in the boat -which can't really be quantified.

I dunno, Caius M1 maybe, but I'm fairly sure that doesn't apply in a lot of places! That weight adjusting thing has never been mentioned round our way and I'd be surprised if many of them could do sub 6:10.

It's also, of course, about technique and experience - someone can be a beast on the ergs but if they've only been on the water one term they won't necessarily hop straight into the first boat. if there are more experienced rowers around.

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(Original post by ecila)
Slightly random question, someone told me that being tall gives you an advantage in rowing, any comments?

It gives you an advantage because you can have a longer stroke.

However that's not really a major problem at college level, as people have said. My SImoco boat (Who I keep going on about...) are quite short women, most of whom are less than 5'6" tall (My height). I also had a stroke once who was probably less than 5'.

From the coxes point of view (literally) it's good because you can see over their shoulders and see a little bit more of where you're going.

[tll5ku0lvz]

I'm about 5'7", so understandably the smallest rower in the club. I came somewhere in the middle of the rankings, not so much because of my height but my general strength & fitness. My captain told me I could make up the stroke length by leaning back a bit further, and he was absolutely right.

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Ideally, at the finish you should be able to draw a vertical line from the front of your shoulders to the back of your bum; that's the lean you should have.

My coach with Simoco was also doing exercises at the catch, to improve the stroke length. Most people tend to not slide all the way forwards as far as they can; it's easy to go an extra half-inch or more forwards and gain a few inches on each stroke. When rating higher people naturally shorten up, but just really pay attention to getting the catches in swiftly, accurately, and at a decent distance forwards.

(I sound like I know what I'm talking about here...! Will and others feel free to correct if I've made any mistakes here. )

[Willa]

In my opinion, it is distance at the front of the stroke that is more important than distance at the back. So although a short rower can be told they can make up a difference by leaning back more at the finish, the addition to power I reckon is pretty small since this is after the true drive phase which happens when you engage the legs.
Short rowers may be really strong on the ergs, but in my experience, it's suprising how much of a disadvantage it can put them in when it comes to be in the boat racing at high rate and full pressure.

And on the comments of rowers not compressing enough at the front end: in my experience, actually trying to reach "further" than you naturally feel you should is most often a very bad approach - since the natural way someone attempts to get more length is to force their outside shoulder round, and inevitabley down, which although feels like you're getting more length - you're actually raising the blade off the water, and delaying the connection with the water. This can lead to unbalanced boats as well.
A lack of length is rather down to limits in flexibility (regarding lean) and incorrect equipment setup (regarding leg compression).

That's all just my own opinion though. Hmm I should try coaching...

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WHY do people spin when halfway down the reach?

[Taiping]

Urgh. Just did my 2k:

8:00.9 @ 24 s/m

Then the captain told me that it should have been done at 30 s/m....

The Catz 2nd Boat is completely crippled. We have 2 novices and we've lost the main power rowers to the st as well as our inspirational cox.

Me and a few friends are trying to get a IV together so that we can enter some races with a decent chance.

FTB, do you know the logistics of this?