[The_Lonely_Goatherd]

(Original post by killa78)
So where did he get the information from?

From the other apostles or from what he heard?

You might like to read Paul's own account of what happened: (Letter to the) Galatians 1:11-2:14. It doesn't give exact answers but clearly he did meet some of the apostles and might have got information from there. What Paul would/could have learnt in Arabia and Damascus is not so clear though

[PandyAndy]

(Original post by Politricks)
Actually Paul was born 5 years after Jesus' death, in Turkey.

According to good old Wikipedia he was born around 5 AD, ~10 years after the J-Meister.

[killa78]

(Original post by The_Lonely_Goatherd)
You might like to read Paul's own account of what happened: (Letter to the) Galatians 1:11-2:14. It doesn't give exact answers but clearly he did meet some of the apostles and might have got information from there. What Paul would/could have learnt in Arabia and Damascus is not so clear though

Thanks!
I'll hopefully look into it

[greeneyedgirl]

(Original post by Politricks)
Actually Paul was born 5 years after Jesus' death, in Turkey.

Sorry I meant during the life of Jesus's immediate followers. What with packing up the entire house at the minute my brain is frazzled and my fingers don't seem to be connected to brain. Apologises for any confusion.

[Politricks]

I was speaking to a Christian on some other thread, and she said that the Romans kept records about Jesus, but she didn't know anything further than that, did the Romans really keep records about Jesus?
(Not here to bash religion; genuine question, by the way.)

[NJA]

(Original post by Politricks)
I was speaking to a Christian on some other thread, and she said that the Romans kept records about Jesus, but she didn't know anything further than that, did the Romans really keep records about Jesus?
(Not here to bash religion; genuine question, by the way.)

This is a reprinting of a letter from Pontius Pilate to Tiberius Caesar describing the physical appearance of Jesus. Copies are in the Congressional Library in Washington, D.C.

TO TIBERIUS CAESAR:

A young man appeared in Galilee preaching with humble unction, a new law in the Name of the God that had sent Him.
At first I was apprehensive that His design was to stir up the people against the Romans, but my fears were soon dispelled.
Jesus of Nazareth spoke rather as a friend of the Romans than of the jewish people. One day I observed in the midst
of a group of people a young man who was leaning against a tree, calmly addressing the multitude. I was told it was Jesus.
This I could easily have suspected so great was the difference between Him and those who were listening to Him.
His golden colored hair and beard gave to his appearance a celestial aspect. He appeared to be about 30 years of age.
Never have I seen a sweeter or more serene countenance. What a contrast between him and His bearers with their
black beards and tawny complexions! Unwilling to interrupt him by my presence, I continued my walk but signified to my
secretary to join the group and listen. Later, my secretary reported that never had he seen in the works of all the philosophers
anything
that compared to the teachings of Jesus. He told me that Jesus was neither seditious nor rebellious, so we extended
to Him our protection. He was at liberty to act, to speak, to assemble and to address the people.
This unlimited freedom provoked the jewish people -- not the poor but the rich and powerful.

Later, I wrote to Jesus requesting an interview with Him at the Praetorium. He came.
When the Nazarene made His appearance I was having my morning walk and as I faced Him my feet seemed fastened
with an iron hand to the marble pavement and I trembled in every limb as a guilty culprit, though he was calm.
For some time I stood admiring this extraordinary man. There was nothing in him that was repelling, nor in his character,
yet I felt awed in his presence. I told him that there was a magnetic simplicity about him and His personality that elevated
him far above the philosophers and teachers of his day.

Now, Noble Sovereign, these are the facts concerning Jesus of Nazareth and I have taken the time to write you in
detail concerning these matters. I say that such a man who could convert water into wine, change death into life,
disease into health; calm the stormy seas, is not guilty of any criminal offense and as others have said, we must agree
-- truly this is the Son of God.

Your most obedient servant,
Pontius Pilate
(source)

Eyewitnesses of the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Christ - here.

[NJA]

"The Archko Volume" is seen as echoing some of the above detail.

[Odessa]

Jesus Christ "SAVER" Biography Urgently Wanted!


Hello, everyone.

I need a site for Jesus Christ Life. Taking into account that the site must be written in American English, neatly, modern & reliable. I am very interested in Christianity since its message revolves about PEACE. Also, He was merciful w/ poor people.

Peace & Love

[cyfer]

Hi,

I was reading about vocation (the Catholic view of it) and how everyone has a calling from God.

My question is, what is the vocation of those that have absolutely no independence? By this I mean they are disabled to the point of not being able to do anything for themselves, they even have to be fed and cleaned, and cannot talk.

What would your answer to this, as a Christian or Catholic be, if I got the whole vocation definition right? Might sound cruel, but if the definition was right, could their 'vocation' be to serve as a way for others to show their good qualities? Seems extremely warped.

[viriol]

(Original post by cyfer)
Hi,

I was reading about vocation (the Catholic view of it) and how everyone has a calling from God.

My question is, what is the vocation of those that have absolutely no independence? By this I mean they are disabled to the point of not being able to do anything for themselves, they even have to be fed and cleaned, and cannot talk.

What would your answer to this, as a Christian or Catholic be, if I got the whole vocation definition right? Might sound cruel, but if the definition was right, could their 'vocation' be to serve as a way for others to show their good qualities? Seems extremely warped.

Basically, you are supposed to make the best out of what God gives you. Even disabled people have some degree of freedom, however tenuous that may be, so I suppose that is to make the best out of what they still have?

You could, of course, invoke an extreme case of zero freedom, in which case I guess the answer is obvious: he can't do anything! There wouldn't be a calling in the usual sense in that situation I guess.

[greeneyedgirl]

(Original post by pokemons)
Where does he ever say it? He always seemed to say that it is the father in him who does the works and the father is in you, him of his own self does nothing. "And you shall know that I am in my father, and you in me, and I in you"

I'll respond to your question here:

John 8:58 "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"

I am is a reference to the OT to the name of God.

Story of paralysed man in Mark 2:1-12, Jesus claims to be able to forgive sins, something only God can do.

In His trial He was asked if He was Christ, the Son of God, He responded "I am." (Mark 14:60-62), "Yes, it is as you say." (Matt. 26: 63-65), "You are right in saying I am." (Luke 22:67-70)

He also fulfils every Old Testament prophecy about the Son of God, the Messiah.

And there are many other reasons which can be found here: http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNs..._to_be_God.htm

[Eager bug]

Do they mean that sex before marriage is acceptable or ...?
Anyway here they are:

"And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage; but they which shall be counted worthy to obtain that world and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage". Neither can they die any more for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection". (St. Luke 20: 34-36).

1 Corinthian 7: 37-38:

"Nevertheless he that standeth steadfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin doeth well. So then he that giveth her in marriage doeth well, but he that giveth her not in marriage doeth better.

I just want a relevant answer and no bashing comments about the religion etc.

[pokemons]

(Original post by greeneyedgirl)
I'll respond to your question here:

John 8:58 "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!"

I am is a reference to the OT to the name of God.

Story of paralysed man in Mark 2:1-12, Jesus claims to be able to forgive sins, something only God can do.

In His trial He was asked if He was Christ, the Son of God, He responded "I am." (Mark 14:60-62), "Yes, it is as you say." (Matt. 26: 63-65), "You are right in saying I am." (Luke 22:67-70)

He also fulfils every Old Testament prophecy about the Son of God, the Messiah.

And there are many other reasons which can be found here: http://www.probe.org/site/c.fdKEIMNs..._to_be_God.htm

Thank you for showing me that! He fulfilled the prophecy that is necessary for us to fulfill! It is true when God revealed his name to Moses it is written when people ask me what is your name what shall I say

¹⁴ And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.

[greeneyedgirl]

(Original post by pokemons)
Thank you for showing me that! He fulfilled the prophecy that is necessary for us to fulfill! It is true when God revealed his name to Moses it is written when people ask me what is your name what shall I say

¹⁴ And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.

I don't get what you mean about us needing to fulfil a prophecy? But yes that is the OT bit I was referring to.

[pokemons]

(Original post by greeneyedgirl)
I don't get what you mean about us needing to fulfil a prophecy? But yes that is the OT bit I was referring to.

To be a follower of Christ, we must become like Christ. The Bible is a book about you, when asked who is God? We must reply I AM THAT I AM

[greeneyedgirl]

(Original post by pokemons)
To be a follower of Christ, we must become like Christ. The Bible is a book about you, when asked who is God? We must reply I AM THAT I AM

We must be Christ like, that doesn't mean we'll turn into God...it means we will try to stop sinning and be pure and blameless.

[Chezzy85]

Might help to read different translations; ie the message, niv, etc..


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[Hylean]

(Original post by Eager bug)
Do they mean that sex before marriage is acceptable or ...?
Anyway here they are:

"And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage; but they which shall be counted worthy to obtain that world and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage". Neither can they die any more for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection". (St. Luke 20: 34-36).

1 Corinthian 7: 37-38:

"Nevertheless he that standeth steadfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin doeth well. So then he that giveth her in marriage doeth well, but he that giveth her not in marriage doeth better.

I just want a relevant answer and no bashing comments about the religion etc.

It's pretty clear that it does not say that sex before marriage is okay. It pretty much says that those who are virgins at marriage are good, but those who remain virgins all their lives are better.

[Eager bug]

What do these quotes from the Bible mean?

"And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage; but they which shall be counted worthy to obtain that world and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage". Neither can they die any more for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection". (St. Luke 20: 34-36).

1 Corinthian 7: 37-38:

"Nevertheless he that standeth steadfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin doeth well. So then he that giveth her in marriage doeth well, but he that giveth her not in marriage doeth better.


Do they mean sex before marriage is good/okay?

[Hylean]

(Original post by Eager bug)
*snips*

Might want to look at the post directly above yours, post no. 8922.