John Redwoor(Tory) sympathises with Syriza and Greeks.
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Original post by MatureStudent36
Because they were the ones who benefitted before the crash and they were the ones who voted in successive useless governments.
No, it was Europe's fault for being reckless in lending money that they knew Greece would not be able to pay back.
Why should the poor and disabled in Greece pay the price for a capitalist recession which they had nothing to do with?
The EU is acting like a loan shark.
IMF are loan sharks
This is why Russia were leaders in the creation of the likes of BRICS (Brazi, Russia, Iran, China, South Africa) to shake up the financial establishment. I imagine it's also why America is creating this conflict against Russia.
The money lending institutions lend money to countries at high rates and often to countries who cannot pay it back. Why would you lend money to someone who couldn't pay it back? Simple they'll forever be in debt and then countries have to sell off their assets.
This is how they plan to rule the world. You know they practically own everything.
But of course these people are never called supremacists are they?
This is why Russia were leaders in the creation of the likes of BRICS (Brazi, Russia, Iran, China, South Africa) to shake up the financial establishment. I imagine it's also why America is creating this conflict against Russia.
The money lending institutions lend money to countries at high rates and often to countries who cannot pay it back. Why would you lend money to someone who couldn't pay it back? Simple they'll forever be in debt and then countries have to sell off their assets.
This is how they plan to rule the world. You know they practically own everything.
But of course these people are never called supremacists are they?
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Original post by Bornblue
No, it was Europe's fault for being reckless in lending money that they knew Greece would not be able to pay back.
Why should the poor and disabled in Greece pay the price for a capitalist recession which they had nothing to do with?
The EU is acting like a loan shark.
Why should the poor and disabled in Greece pay the price for a capitalist recession which they had nothing to do with?
The EU is acting like a loan shark.
Yet you appear to be pro EU elsewhere.
Original post by MatureStudent36
Yet you appear to be pro EU elsewhere.
Where? I'm pro free movement of people, that doesn't mean I have to approve everything the EU does
Original post by Bornblue
Where? I'm pro free movement of people, that doesn't mean I have to approve everything the EU does
So you're pro EU then?
Do you know that pro free movement is a capitalist concept?
Original post by MatureStudent36
So you're pro EU then?
Do you know that pro free movement is a capitalist concept?
Do you know that pro free movement is a capitalist concept?
I'm pro some parts of the EU, not pro other parts. Which is why a referendum is stupid, many people are like that.
It's also a socialist concept.
Hello everyone, this is my first post (I came here for the studies section but I saw this topic first)!I live in Greece, and I want to make some things clear. Some of you say that Greek people are equally responsible for the crisis, and some others say that we are not responsible at all. Well,none of these opinions are right or wrong. I am 26 years old, and I know that the generation of my parents kept voting the same two parties (PASOK and New Democracy) since the fall of the military dictatorship in 1974, even though they knew that they were corrupted and that many people lied about their income and they didn't pay the taxes they should pay. I fight every day with my father, blaming him and his generation for this, even though he didn't lie about his income, and I understand people saying that Greeks didn't pay taxes. But why must I pay for the previous generation's faults? Why can't I find a job (>50% youth unemployment, 27% in general), why will I be forced to leave my country to find a job, why me and all young people in Greece will be paying for our entire lives for the vast loans the European "Union" forced Greece to accept in 2012 when the puppet government of Samaras signed a text of 500 pages that they had one hour to read? They (Samaras' government and the troica) all knew that Greece couldn't pay for these loans, unless we sold all our state property and lower our min wage to 300 euros and pensions to 200 euros, without the ability to devaluate our currency! Why me and my generation and the generations to come have to pay for these? If the faults of our ancestors roll from generation to generation, then I want those war reparations from Hitler's Germany, our friends Germans should give them to us and the next day we pay for all our loans!
Another thing I have read is the entry of Greece into the Eurozone in 2001, under PASOK. Do you really believe that the European Union Officials and bankers didn't know about the financial situation of Greece at this time? They didn't knew that Greece was borrowing huge amounts of money from the markets?Really??All these transactions were public!!! You are saying that the "holy" state of Germany didn't knew anything, while the equally "holy" SIEMENS was funding the governing party of PASOK, and while right now Germany denies the extradition of the CEO of SIEMENS in Greece who was responsible for all these (Christoforakos, he lives in Germany, spending the money of the Greek people)? Really??
To conclude, I must ask if you have ever read the proposals of the new Greek government. Note, not just watch what TV channels say, I am asking if you have searched on your own. Do it, and you will be surprised finding out that they have told you lies about what Greece demands and what Greece gives. We want to pay those loans, but we want to choose how we will do it. We propose to cut from the rich, Germany (excuse me, I mean the European "Union") denies and demands that we further horizontally cut the already lowered pensions and public sector wages. No, WE must choose what we will cut, when and how, the Europeans should only care about taking their money back, and until now, five months after the election of the SYRIZA government, we have paid everything and recieved nothing, not even a cent as a loan. SYRIZA and Varoufakis (you can mock him for his appearence, but only a few countries in Europe have an economic brain like him) have given a plan to reduce the debt of Greece οn 93% by 2020 (now 180%) and on 60% by 2030. The Europeans have rejected even to read it. Google everything I am saying, you will find out that you don't know everything about the Greek crisis.I have voted for SYRIZA, and I feel proud that they are trying to do something better for Greece and Europe in a very hatred environment. Now it is the time for development, austerity must end. USA ended the crisis with development of their economy and financing companies to be competitive and innovative. That's what Greece want to do, along (of course) with vanishing corruption and tax evasion (also part of the SYRIZA plan).
I know this is a long text, and I'm sorry for this! I also apologize for the mistakes, english isn't my mother language.
Another thing I have read is the entry of Greece into the Eurozone in 2001, under PASOK. Do you really believe that the European Union Officials and bankers didn't know about the financial situation of Greece at this time? They didn't knew that Greece was borrowing huge amounts of money from the markets?Really??All these transactions were public!!! You are saying that the "holy" state of Germany didn't knew anything, while the equally "holy" SIEMENS was funding the governing party of PASOK, and while right now Germany denies the extradition of the CEO of SIEMENS in Greece who was responsible for all these (Christoforakos, he lives in Germany, spending the money of the Greek people)? Really??
To conclude, I must ask if you have ever read the proposals of the new Greek government. Note, not just watch what TV channels say, I am asking if you have searched on your own. Do it, and you will be surprised finding out that they have told you lies about what Greece demands and what Greece gives. We want to pay those loans, but we want to choose how we will do it. We propose to cut from the rich, Germany (excuse me, I mean the European "Union") denies and demands that we further horizontally cut the already lowered pensions and public sector wages. No, WE must choose what we will cut, when and how, the Europeans should only care about taking their money back, and until now, five months after the election of the SYRIZA government, we have paid everything and recieved nothing, not even a cent as a loan. SYRIZA and Varoufakis (you can mock him for his appearence, but only a few countries in Europe have an economic brain like him) have given a plan to reduce the debt of Greece οn 93% by 2020 (now 180%) and on 60% by 2030. The Europeans have rejected even to read it. Google everything I am saying, you will find out that you don't know everything about the Greek crisis.I have voted for SYRIZA, and I feel proud that they are trying to do something better for Greece and Europe in a very hatred environment. Now it is the time for development, austerity must end. USA ended the crisis with development of their economy and financing companies to be competitive and innovative. That's what Greece want to do, along (of course) with vanishing corruption and tax evasion (also part of the SYRIZA plan).
I know this is a long text, and I'm sorry for this! I also apologize for the mistakes, english isn't my mother language.
Original post by Bornblue
No, it was Europe's fault for being reckless in lending money that they knew Greece would not be able to pay back.
Why should the poor and disabled in Greece pay the price for a capitalist recession which they had nothing to do with?
The EU is acting like a loan shark.
Why should the poor and disabled in Greece pay the price for a capitalist recession which they had nothing to do with?
The EU is acting like a loan shark.
It was the markets that lent them money pre-recession.
A default, collapse of the currency and drop in living standards would most certainly hurt them so they'd pay the price either way.
Original post by Rakas21
It was the markets that lent them money pre-recession.
A default, collapse of the currency and drop in living standards would most certainly hurt them so they'd pay the price either way.
A default, collapse of the currency and drop in living standards would most certainly hurt them so they'd pay the price either way.
That doesn't defend the EU and imf acting like a loan shark sucking all the money out the country, and taking all its assets:
Original post by Bornblue
That doesn't defend the EU and imf acting like a loan shark sucking all the money out the country, and taking all its assets:
The price of staying in the EU. They have the Argentine option.
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