I don't get people who see God and the bible as fact.

I googled the ten commandments:Exactly 3 of them are common in western law. I bolded them. The Ten commandments does not account for assault, child abuse, speeding, dangerous driving, drunk driving, child porn, fishing regulations, gun laws... you know actually the vast majority of the laws we follow aren't in there at all.


Homosexuality is merely a sexual preference at its core. Nothing more, nothing less. So we can basically say it's the same as being straight, or having a foot fetish, being a pedophile, liking blondes, being an ass man over a tits man. It's a preference one has.

Now, have you ever tried to force a change in any of your sexual preferences? Have you ever forcefully "tried" to stop liking what you like, or to like something you're not really that into. Most people haven't, because it's ridiculous and doesn't work.

It doesn't need to proven that homosexuality isn't a choice, because when you look at what it actually is, a sexual preference, and then compare it to any other sexual preference you realise it's not a choice at all, as no sexual or romantic attraction is ever really a choice. It's involuntary.

Point I was making is that there is always a choice. You said it doesn't work. Someone not having a choice is one of the biggest lies and is what keeps people convicted. That is how a dictator is able to rule.. when the people under their control believe they don't have a choice.

Whether it is the desire or just act it doesn't matter. The desire may not be a choice but it can be overcome, like the desire to eat fast food

Christians break the Bible's rules all the time, I've never understood why some of them get so annoyed about gays when they don't even follow the other rules of Leviticus like not mixing fabrics in your clothing and the rule about having to go to church to do a cleansing ritual with a dove and a pigeon 7 days after your period ends.

And then when they realise this point half of them use the same argument pro-homosexuality people use, parts of the bible are outdated etc etc. It's quite hilarious

Who said it isn't a choice? I learn Psychology mate, it can be a choice! And don't say it's inheritance because it isn't!
God didn't create homosexuality, if he did then it wouldn't have been Adam and Eve in the first place. It is not natural, there's a male and a female for a reason. It's against mother nature!
Plus, back in the olden days, there was no such thing as being gay so I'd say being gay is just part of the new era thing. Or that there's something wrong with one's brain as it's not functioning in the normal way.
To conclude, homosexuality is a choice because no one forces you to become a gay or a lesbian!

ADAM AND EVE AIN'T SH*T OK. IT IS A MYTH, A STORY, with a bloody talking snake.

you should calm down, you clearly have some self-consciousness with yourself to accuse homosexuals of having something wrong with their brain...

I don't know whether you legitimately study psychology at any substantial level, but you've certainly never studied history.

People don't wake up one day and think "TODAY IS THE DAY. I AM GOING TO BE GAY. THEN TOMORROW, I WILL BE STRAIGHT".

ADAM AND EVE AIN'T SH*T OK. IT IS A MYTH, A STORY, with a bloody talking snake. God created everything apparently, so therefore, he created homosexuality. Eve is created from Adam's ribs, yeah because that can totally happen.

"Plus, back in the olden days, there was no such thing as being gay"

Bullcrap. Olden days what? Olden days when?
Ancient Rome: 753 BC–476 AD.

"Roman men were free to enjoy sex with other males without a perceived loss of masculinity or social status, as long as they took the dominant or penetrative role."
"Although Roman men in general seem to have preferred youths between the ages of 12 and 20 as sexual partners, freeborn male minors were strictly off-limits, and professional prostitutes and entertainers might be considerably older."

Well yea because it's not a normal thing to do, it's against mother nature! Otherwise, why on earth do you think it took time to legalise gay marriages because everyone knows it's not normal!
Like I said before, I've only just expressed my own views and opinions. I have thte right to do so. I respect your opinions too. Personally, I have nothing wrong with gay but all I said was that it's going against nature. In fact, I've got friends who are gays and lesbians. Plus, my brother (my own blood brother) is gay too. Even he said that it's a choice! He chose to be gay!

The point I was making is that changing your sexual desires doesn't work. Let's disregard your examples for a second, (which weren't even sexual preferences so if we wanna be really accurate they shouldn't have been used to argue your point but I'd figure I'd humour you anyway) have you ever heard of anybody succesfully changing their sexual preferences and desires after making a conscious decision to change them (because tastes can change over time) themselves? I can't say I have, only have I seen people disregarding their own feelings and doing things they're not particularly into.

While we're at it, unless your preference is underage children, why would you want to "overcome" your own sexual/romantic preferences in the first place? What good can come of it?

[[im not hating on bible bashers im just questioning them]]

i had someone telling me today that (obviously its bad to be gay) so i asked, why did god create gays if they're not allowed? in which she replied that people choose to be gay and that its not in the bible to be gay, and its like, not everything is in the bible...

and why would someone choose to be gay in a society its punishable by death? (i got blocked after mentioning this lmao). they wouldnt choose to be gay in a society where there is a massively negative stigma attached to it.

i also saw someone mention that theyre worried more about the decline in people following christianity etc. why would we feel the need to follow a 2000+ year old religion that is outdated. the things in the bible apply to the times of the time it was written, not modern day.

Who said it isn't a choice? I learn Psychology mate, it can be a choice! And don't say it's inheritance because it isn't!
God didn't create homosexuality, if he did then it wouldn't have been Adam and Eve in the first place. It is not natural, there's a male and a female for a reason. It's against mother nature!
Plus, back in the olden days, there was no such thing as being gay so I'd say being gay is just part of the new era thing. Or that there's something wrong with one's brain as it's not functioning in the normal way.
To conclude, homosexuality is a choice because no one forces you to become a gay or a lesbian!

Christians break the Bible's rules all the time, I've never understood why some of them get so annoyed about gays when they don't even follow the other rules of Leviticus like not mixing fabrics in your clothing and the rule about having to go to church to do a cleansing ritual with a dove and a pigeon 7 days after your period ends.

And then when they realise this point half of them use the same argument pro-homosexuality people use, parts of the bible are outdated etc etc. It's quite hilarious

Sexual desires, career desires or food desires, all desires so they were relevant examples no matter how goofy it sounds.
Some people having to disregard their own feelings.. so we shud allow gay marriage so they dont have to. Its pretty dangerous to base laws on mere feelings. I wont be surprised when beastiality is accepted, horrified maybe but not surprised. By your logic if people feel like having sex with animals and not humans why should they have to disregard their feelings and have sex with humans.. something they dnt want to do. Thats becoming a common way of thinking

What good can come of doing something right instead of wrong? Thats how I see your question.

In fact my brother is gay, he came out ages ago and even he admits it's a choice that he made.

Even if your contextual argument was correct, you still haven't evaded the issues of the New Testament. Romans 1 explicitly condemns homosexual activity.

Christians don't follow the Old Testament because they are under a 'new covenant'. Romans: 'we serve in the new way of the Spirit, not in the old way of the written code.' Jesus fulfilled the law through his death.

You are also erroneously trying the take the application of the principle and translating it into twenty-first century Britain. If you greeted a Japanese person and they refused to shake your hand, would you condemn them as being impolite? You wouldn't because within their society a greeting follows a different procedure; it would be like somebody in Britain raising their leg in acknowledgement.

Leviticus is similar. The 'outdated' commandment on shaving, for instance, is a sign of the covenant. Christians today practice baptism instead. Purity in general is about maintaining one's righteousness; today repentance and the Holy Spirit fulfil this. All that is required is a bit of application and a little common sense.

I think 99% of Christians would disagree with this. You are right in that each book of the Bible is occasional; it is written by somebody for a specific time and place. However, it is a non sequitur to claim that it is irrelevant to today's society. The Sermon on the Mount is applicable teaching, as are parables; Paul's letters on spiritual gifts, salvation and justification; the epistle of James on the importance of works; John's revelations for the future - to take from the New Testament only. The Bible is relevant for today.

Well I didn't people do that though, it takes time mate! I never said all of a sudden a normal guy turned into a gay. Let me just make this clear to you, I don't have anything against gay or lesbians! All I did was to express my own views and opinions and I have the right to do so. In fact my brother is gay, he came out ages ago and even he admits it's a choice that he made. Plus, I've got gay friends whom I get along easily with. They are like sooo wonderful and kind hearted, literally I can share anything with them. So trustworthy! Personally, I just find it abnormal, going against the nature!
Well, for you it might just be a MYTH, A STORY, and A BLOODY SNAKE! But there are people who believe in it, soo please do respect that mate! Don't mock other people's beliefs! It's not right!
And for the last few comments, not even gonna say anything about it!

Well I didn't people do that though, it takes time mate! I never said all of a sudden a normal guy turned into a gay. Let me just make this clear to you, I don't have anything against gay or lesbians! All I did was to express my own views and opinions and I have the right to do so. In fact my brother is gay, he came out ages ago and even he admits it's a choice that he made. Plus, I've got gay friends whom I get along easily with. They are like sooo wonderful and kind hearted, literally I can share anything with them. So trustworthy! Personally, I just find it abnormal, going against the nature!
Well, for you it might just be a MYTH, A STORY, and A BLOODY SNAKE! But there are people who believe in it, soo please do respect that mate! Don't mock other people's beliefs! It's not right!
And for the last few comments, not even gonna say anything about it!

im agnostic personally, ive been brought up catholic but ive sort of developed my own way to think and come to a conclusion of not believing in a god but sort of wanting to believe theres something.




faith is dumb when it comes to things like that.

he didnt create them cos he isnt real. the bible wasnt written by god himself it was written through people that had their own opinions which can thus be debatable, theyre myths/stories. god also created a talking snake that tricked them into eating a forbidden apple too then yeah?

I'd take your indignant defence of religious views more seriously if your username wasn't a reference to Satan.