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Has there ever been people with no professional experience that have got into MC? I think the only firms that would still give a fair chance without exp are the big4...

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Original post by cooldudeman

Has there ever been people with no professional experience that have got into MC? I think the only firms that would still give a fair chance without exp are the big4...

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Well. The big 4 isn't a bad start. The only firms that are more 'highly rated' and 'prestigious' are MBB and a few select tier 2s (LEK, RB, OW etc.). Those firms recruit extremely few graduates and have an oxbridge bias anyway. So if you can get into the consulting graduate schemes in Deloitte, PWC and EY (in this order), you will do fine.

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Original post by jharri1993

Well. The big 4 isn't a bad start. The only firms that are more 'highly rated' and 'prestigious' are MBB and a few select tier 2s (LEK, RB, OW etc.). Those firms recruit extremely few graduates and have an oxbridge bias anyway. So if you can get into the consulting graduate schemes in Deloitte, PWC and EY (in this order), you will do fine.

Besides big4, which MC firms do you think I have a shot with? I'm at uni of bham with really good grades from gcse till uni. I am thinking IBM, cap, chp consulting. Maybe accenture??? Might be pushing my luck there. Are there anymore that I have a shot with?

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Original post by cooldudeman

Besides big4, which MC firms do you think I have a shot with? I'm at uni of bham with really good grades from gcse till uni. I am thinking IBM, cap, chp consulting. Maybe accenture??? Might be pushing my luck there. Are there anymore that I have a shot with?

I'm going to start in MC in one of the big 4 firms in September. In terms of difficulty:

1) MBB + Tier 2 (Reason: there are simply too few places)

2) Big 4 + Accenture (I have been to interviews with most of the firms, they recruit the same type of people)

3) The rest - cap, IBM ( I did not apply, because this firms do not enjoy the same reputation as the other firms that I've listed above)

I think like everyone you have a shot at the big4 + accenture and 'the rest' of the consulting firms. The only hindrance would be a lack of a developed CV which I think might be your worry. Have you applied for summer internships before and at what stages did you get rejected?

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Original post by jharri1993

I'm going to start in MC in one of the big 4 firms in September. In terms of difficulty:

1) MBB + Tier 2 (Reason: there are simply too few places)

2) Big 4 + Accenture (I have been to interviews with most of the firms, they recruit the same type of people)

3) The rest - cap, IBM ( I did not apply, because this firms do not enjoy the same reputation as the other firms that I've listed above)

I think like everyone you have a shot at the big4 + accenture and 'the rest' of the consulting firms. The only hindrance would be a lack of a developed CV which I think might be your worry. Have you applied for summer internships before and at what stages did you get rejected?

Well I made it to the assessment centre for pwc for an internship. Didn't pass that. I think the only reason I made it that far is cuz the big4 doesn't seem to care much about work exp. They are gonna give me feedback soon but I think I messed up on the numerical and kinda messed up on the group. But they rejected me in like 3h after the AC so I must have done bad...

Got any tips?

Can I ask which firm are you gonna start as and what your work exp were and grades and uni please.

I did get to AC for JP morgan but that was for some operation role but did really bad on it. It's really scary that I am failing these ACs.

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Original post by cooldudeman

Well I made it to the assessment centre for pwc for an internship. Didn't pass that. I think the only reason I made it that far is cuz the big4 doesn't seem to care much about work exp. They are gonna give me feedback soon but I think I messed up on the numerical and kinda messed up on the group. But they rejected me in like 3h after the AC so I must have done bad...

Got any tips?

Can I ask which firm are you gonna start as and what your work exp were and grades and uni please.

I did get to AC for JP morgan but that was for some operation role but did really bad on it. It's really scary that I am failing these ACs.

The IBM recruitment process is ridiculous. The business matching process takes months. A little update on my situation. In addition to what I previously said. My company is allowing me to specialise in strategy and in particular mergers and acquisitions as well as in the public sector which will allow to move to the big 4 when the chance comes. You just need to keep applying. There loads of consulting companies. Just get the experience in a smaller firm then move across.

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Original post by daindian

The IBM recruitment process is ridiculous. The business matching process takes months. A little update on my situation. In addition to what I previously said. My company is allowing me to specialise in strategy and in particular mergers and acquisitions as well as in the public sector which will allow to move to the big 4 when the chance comes. You just need to keep applying. There loads of consulting companies. Just get the experience in a smaller firm then move across.

The ibm online test is so hard too. Are you gonna stay at csc or gonna try to move?

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Original post by cooldudeman

Well I made it to the assessment centre for pwc for an internship. Didn't pass that. I think the only reason I made it that far is cuz the big4 doesn't seem to care much about work exp. They are gonna give me feedback soon but I think I messed up on the numerical and kinda messed up on the group. But they rejected me in like 3h after the AC so I must have done bad...

Got any tips?

Can I ask which firm are you gonna start as and what your work exp were and grades and uni please.

I did get to AC for JP morgan but that was for some operation role but did really bad on it. It's really scary that I am failing these ACs.

I went to a similarly ranked University and scored a 2.1. Though I did do a few internships (some thru connections), I actually did a summer internship in banking but wasn't as interested. As for what I've secured, I received offers from D, EY, and Accenture.

It would be very helpful if you detail all the consulting summer apps that you have done and tell us which stage you got binned.

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Original post by cooldudeman

The ibm online test is so hard too. Are you gonna stay at csc or gonna try to move?

IBM is the absolute low you should be going. Don't waste your time at CSC. If you want to have a consulting career, these are the only firms you should consider:

MBB/Tier 2

Big4/ Accenture

Blue Chip Companies (Unilever, P&G, Exxon etc. - lateral in after)

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Original post by jharri1993

IBM is the absolute low you should be going. Don't waste your time at CSC. If you want to have a consulting career, these are the only firms you should consider:

MBB/Tier 2

Big4/ Accenture

Blue Chip Companies (Unilever, P&G, Exxon etc. - lateral in after)

By blue chip companies you mean AON, chp consulting, towers watson, capgemini. Etc? I havr never heard of p&g or unilever or exxon...

How did you manage to do so many internships? Since most are only possible after the penultimate yr of uni... also which business did u do ur banking internship?

Ok these are the ones I applied for and got binned (internships obviously):

Pwc deals forensics intern - AC (just happened last week)

Pwc, deloitte consultancy - online tests

Ey consultancy - after their first test online

Kpmg consultancy - SJT

Accenture, bcg, mck, l.e.k, simon kutcher, roland berger - binned after application :frown:

Jp morgan operations - AC

Deusche bank corporate finance - numerical test

I think I am a LOT better at these online tests now than I was. Hence how I got to the AC for pwc for deals forensics (or probably the boundaries were low for that lol :frown:

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Original post by cooldudeman

The ibm online test is so hard too. Are you gonna stay at csc or gonna try to move?

Original post by jharri1993

IBM is the absolute low you should be going. Don't waste your time at CSC. If you want to have a consulting career, these are the only firms you should consider:

MBB/Tier 2

Big4/ Accenture

Blue Chip Companies (Unilever, P&G, Exxon etc. - lateral in after)

I'm definitly gonna move i don't plan on staying after my grad scheme, a lot of the old intake now work for accenture/ capgemini etc same with ibm, it all depends on what you wanna do after tbh and also i disagree with what you say. If you want a consuting career start somewhere and then move across, i know of at least 6 people that started at csc and moved across to accenture, so your point is invalid.

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Original post by daindian

I'm definitly gonna move i don't plan on staying after my grad scheme, a lot of the old intake now work for accenture/ capgemini etc same with ibm, it all depends on what you wanna do after tbh and also i disagree with what you say. If you want a consuting career start somewhere and then move across, i know of at least 6 people that started at csc and moved across to accenture, so your point is invalid.

Well, I'm pretty sure OP isn't interested in tech consulting. Anyway, you might be happy in CSC, but I'm just advising OP that there are far better options out there.

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Original post by jharri1993

Well, I'm pretty sure OP isn't interested in tech consulting. Anyway, you might be happy in CSC, but I'm just advising OP that there are far better options out there.

yeh I'm happy with my offer, it will give me the experience needed then I can move across, of course there are a lot more consulting companies. not everyone gets into a big 4 for consulting/ accounting to start at somewhere smaller and then move across. I went a interview for a small strategy consulting company ages ago. every previous employee in the graduate role went to somewhere bigger and better,

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Original post by cooldudeman

By blue chip companies you mean AON, chp consulting, towers watson, capgemini. Etc? I havr never heard of p&g or unilever or exxon...

How did you manage to do so many internships? Since most are only possible after the penultimate yr of uni... also which business did u do ur banking internship?

Ok these are the ones I applied for and got binned (internships obviously):

Pwc deals forensics intern - AC (just happened last week)

Pwc, deloitte consultancy - online tests

Ey consultancy - after their first test online

Kpmg consultancy - SJT

Accenture, bcg, mck, l.e.k, simon kutcher, roland berger - binned after application :frown:

Jp morgan operations - AC

Deusche bank corporate finance - numerical test

I think I am a LOT better at these online tests now than I was. Hence how I got to the AC for pwc for deals forensics (or probably the boundaries were low for that lol :frown:

)

By Blue chip, I mean working in industry and then lateraling into MC. Most MCers specialize in a certain area, so if you working in a leading FMCG company, you will be a very attractive candidate to the consulting firms.

Like I said, those internships before Summer were gotten through connections.

PWC deals internship is for the winter?

The thing with the big 4 is that I get a feeling that HR review your CV twice. As long as you meet academic requirements, you move on to the online question stage. After the online stage, they will look into your CV more thoroughly and if you get called to the first/phone interview, your CV does not matter anymore.

Though for you now, I think your academic edge is going to mean less since PWC and EY are both scraping minimum academic requirements which means that there are going to be an exponential increase in the application.

The fact that you're progressing means you're doing ok, so just keep on doing what you're doing, even if you don't get into MC straight out of graduation, you can still apply in the next few cycles. I do think that you will eventually get in.

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Original post by cooldudeman

The ibm online test is so hard too. Are you gonna stay at csc or gonna try to move?

apply to newton consulting as well, they have a 40k starting salary lol. but seriously if you google in a few months you will find a lot more companies when applications properly open.

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