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Reply 100
To clarify - anatomy in first year has both a written MCQ *and* the Steeplechase where you go round and look at specimens with pins in them and answer questions about the things the pins are in/on/next to. But the Steeplechase, which is effectively the practical exam, carries more weight than in physiology and biochem.

Phys + Biochem do indeed have 'Best of Five' questions, except at the end of Biochem where there are some 'Extended Matching' (think long list of statements and you have to kind of match up, say, the genetic diseases with the mutations which cause them). Anatomy comes in three flavours, Best of Five, T/F and Extended Matching.

T/F negative marking is killing me. Hate.
*Liana* I know you said that you don't necessarily have to have done Physics to do well in Physiology, but could you possibly recommend any areas of Physics that I could read up on to make it any easier?

My sister's doing Physics (she's a year younger) so I have access to some textbooks which is useful :smile: Thank you!
Reply 102
Hmm.... I would say reading about electricity (especially circuits and capacitance) is useful for learning about nerves - they have some circuit diagrams in the lecture notes. Things about pressure/gas constants and stuff if you haven't covered them in Chemistry are also useful when you do cardiovascular and respiratory physiology.

Anyone have any other suggestions?

They send you a list at some point of topics with which it would be useful to be familiar (it's also here). However I say again, it is possible to get through this without really understanding it - not the best way to approach it but it's what I ended up doing. (Then again I have a friend doing NatSci who claims to still not understand electricity...)
Reply 103
*Liana*
To clarify - anatomy in first year has both a written MCQ *and* the Steeplechase where you go round and look at specimens with pins in them and answer questions about the things the pins are in/on/next to. But the Steeplechase, which is effectively the practical exam, carries more weight than in physiology and biochem.

Phys + Biochem do indeed have 'Best of Five' questions, except at the end of Biochem where there are some 'Extended Matching' (think long list of statements and you have to kind of match up, say, the genetic diseases with the mutations which cause them). Anatomy comes in three flavours, Best of Five, T/F and Extended Matching.

T/F negative marking is killing me. Hate.

I forgot about those horrid MIMS extended matching questions.

The T/F negative marking stuff isn't too bad! It was the neuro that killed me last year.
*Liana*
Hmm.... I would say reading about electricity (especially circuits and capacitance) is useful for learning about nerves - they have some circuit diagrams in the lecture notes. Things about pressure/gas constants and stuff if you haven't covered them in Chemistry are also useful when you do cardiovascular and respiratory physiology.

Anyone have any other suggestions?

They send you a list at some point of topics with which it would be useful to be familiar (it's also here). However I say again, it is possible to get through this without really understanding it - not the best way to approach it but it's what I ended up doing. (Then again I have a friend doing NatSci who claims to still not understand electricity...)



Thank you! That's very helpful :smile:

Yeah right, a NatSci who doesn't understand electricity :wink: Seems like I'm going to have to reinstate the 'Physics hat' between now and October then (grades permitting of course...sorry it's habit to add that every time now- i'm superstitious!)
Hi again everyone...we haven't posted in this thread for over two weeks :eek: That is shameful!

I have a question regarding Hep B and suchlike... my doctor didn't want me to start on the vaccinations or have the blood test until after she had diagnosed me with something else (it's been going on for months/years so she's been trying to get it sorted, it's PVCFS if that helps) so I'm only going to be starting the whole process soon, after I've seen some immunopathology specialists. If, under the circumstances, I don't finish the course of vaccinations before term time, do you think that would be a problem? I will of course notify occupational health as well as the admissions office at Emma if that is the case.

Also, I'm a bit worried about being able to cope with the demands of the course...what do you current medics think? My doctor, school and parents are suggesting that I try to defer my offer and have a gap year to recover, but do you know anything about the chances of being allowed to do this at all?

Don't worry, I know that any advice you give will be hypothetical (I assume none of you have been in the same situation!) and I'll definitely be talking to Cambridge about it (after seeing specialists this/next week and once I have a bit more information) but I wanted mainly to see how difficult I would find Cambridge life with this condition.

Thanks everyone :smile: xxx
Reply 106
*stars and stripes*
Hi again everyone...we haven't posted in this thread for over two weeks :eek: That is shameful!

I have a question regarding Hep B and suchlike... my doctor didn't want me to start on the vaccinations or have the blood test until after she had diagnosed me with something else (it's been going on for months/years so she's been trying to get it sorted, it's PVCFS if that helps) so I'm only going to be starting the whole process soon, after I've seen some immunopathology specialists. If, under the circumstances, I don't finish the course of vaccinations before term time, do you think that would be a problem? I will of course notify occupational health as well as the admissions office at Emma if that is the case.

Also, I'm a bit worried about being able to cope with the demands of the course...what do you current medics think? My doctor, school and parents are suggesting that I try to defer my offer and have a gap year to recover, but do you know anything about the chances of being allowed to do this at all?

Don't worry, I know that any advice you give will be hypothetical (I assume none of you have been in the same situation!) and I'll definitely be talking to Cambridge about it (after seeing specialists this/next week and once I have a bit more information) but I wanted mainly to see how difficult I would find Cambridge life with this condition.

Thanks everyone :smile: xxx

I'm really not sure about the occupational health requirements specifically, it would be best to contact them. It seems like your doctor is being quite sensible about it - you don't want to challenge your immune system even more right now!

In terms of coping with the work, it depends how much you've recovered by October. If you're still shaky, I'd say it would be better to defer until you've properly recovered. I had glandular fever in first year, and had to come back before I was properly better in order to avoid having to degrade. It was very hard - my social life was almost nil because I would just come home from lectures/practicals and sleep, and I didn't get on well with the work that term (Lent - fortunately I was pretty much ok by summer exam time). Bear in mind that you have to attend something like 80% of all your practical sessions in order to pass each part of the course - if you are unable to do this because of illness you will have to degrade anyway.

The best thing I can suggest is to contact the DoS at Emma and explain the situation. Get some sort of letter or something from your doctor to show what's going on, and see what they advise re. deferring or trying to carry on. Of course, you do have 6 months yet in which to get better, so things may change. How are you coping with college at the moment?
Thanks for the comprehensive reply :smile:

I didn't know about the 80% attendance rule, eeek! At the moment college is a real struggle and although I'm keeping my head above water in terms of grades, my attendance is really low (I know that if I was at Cambridge right now I certainly wouldn't be able to do things to the best of my ability and my work would definitely be suffering). That said, you're right in that I have got until October so I'll be optimistic for now!

I'm seeing a specialist on Wed, so I shall see what they have to say and will definitely contact all the necessary people at Emma by the end of next week, as my doctor will have (hopefully) written me a letter by then. Thanks for the advice, it was really helpful :smile:
Reply 108
*stars and stripes*
Thanks for the comprehensive reply :smile:

I didn't know about the 80% attendance rule, eeek! At the moment college is a real struggle and although I'm keeping my head above water in terms of grades, my attendance is really low (I know that if I was at Cambridge right now I certainly wouldn't be able to do things to the best of my ability and my work would definitely be suffering). That said, you're right in that I have got until October so I'll be optimistic for now!

I'm seeing a specialist on Wed, so I shall see what they have to say and will definitely contact all the necessary people at Emma by the end of next week, as my doctor will have (hopefully) written me a letter by then. Thanks for the advice, it was really helpful :smile:

Sooner rather than later is definitely better - and this way it will also give you some advance warning just in case your A-level results slip a little (though hopefully you won't need this!)

I don't think the 80% is for all practicals, just certain subjects, but they all have attendance requirements, and to be honest it's a whole lot easier to learn the work if you've actually done them, so if you're not fit to go to them learning what you were meant to have done is even harder.

For now though, let's hope that you're well enough by October for you to be able to tackle it all! :smile:
Yes, that was another reason why I was going to contact them- just in case! It would put my mind at rest that they actually knew what was going on too :smile:

Very true- it was just a scary percentage because my college attendance at the moment is about 40% in some subjects, so 80% seems huge! Hopefully (as you say),come October I'll be able to throw myself into Cambridge life... thank you :smile:
ok this is a bit off the topic of Hep B etc.

Does anyone who has done/is doing/know's about the developmental/physiology options in part II PDN (i.e. P2, P3, P4, P5, P6, P7) know about how difficult they are? I was hoping I'd be able to have a more relax year next year (they all look pretty interesting so i want to chose the easier ones :P)

Any othe info on them'd be kewl as well, the descriptions on the websites are quite minimal...

Cheers
A question about the CRB thing ... it says that if you've had an Enhanced Disclosure done since Oct 2007 you can just send that to the Senior Tutor's office of your college ... is the Senior Tutor the admissions tutor?

Reply 112
invisibleforest
A question about the CRB thing ... it says that if you've had an Enhanced Disclosure done since Oct 2007 you can just send that to the Senior Tutor's office of your college ... is the Senior Tutor the admissions tutor?


Nah, the Senior Tutor is the head of all of the tutors- fellows in charge of your pastoral care and some administrative stuff. The admissions tutor is (usually) a different fellow in college.
aha! thanks so much! :biggrin:
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Reply 114
My father just remembered that I had a letter from Manchester in the post today, yes we are a nocturnal family.

It was another 'unsuccessful'. I've already been rejected from UCL (the feedback form from the interview said that I seemed 'superficial' and 'detached' and therefore lacked people skills and empathy). My teachers who know me were horrified by the comments- I just got my school report today, and apparently I write 'thoughtful and empathetic english essays', and 'should be commended for my willingness to help others in biology'. I do know that I'm quite idealistic, but surely that's a positive attribute? Both UCL and Manchester put a much stronger emphasis on clinical practice, so they filter out the more...I don't know, 'abstract people'?

Anyway, Manchester did say that I interviewed well, but ultimately there were too many applications and they didn't have space for me, which is perfectly understandable, and I would rather that the offer wasn't wasted on me. However ultimately after I graduate I will be in a similar situation again in finding a position, and the academic shadow of Cambridge may again be a problem. I want to be a good clinician too damn it!

Friends keep reasuring me that loads of Cambridge medics get rejected by other places- but that in itself isn't very reasuring. Especially if medical schools are filtering people at this stage into 'different types of doctors'. But on another level I guess it does make sense, as you wouldn't want to give the scientific grounding to someone who's just not interested, and equally you don't want someone who may become dissatisfied with the course.

Sorry for the rather long winded post. I just feel like a loose part in the system atm. Hopefully I'll find where I'm useful soon.
Vesicle
My father just remembered that I had a letter from Manchester in the post today, yes we are a nocturnal family.

It was another 'unsuccessful'. I've already been rejected from UCL (the feedback form from the interview said that I seemed 'superficial' and 'detached' and therefore lacked people skills and empathy). My teachers who know me were horrified by the comments- I just got my school report today, and apparently I write 'thoughtful and empathetic english essays', and 'should be commended for my willingness to help others in biology'. I do know that I'm quite idealistic, but surely that's a positive attribute? Both UCL and Manchester put a much stronger emphasis on clinical practice, so they filter out the more...I don't know, 'abstract people'?

Anyway, Manchester did say that I interviewed well, but ultimately there were too many applications and they didn't have space for me, which is perfectly understandable, and I would rather that the offer wasn't wasted on me. However ultimately after I graduate I will be in a similar situation again in finding a position, and the academic shadow of Cambridge may again be a problem. I want to be a good clinician too damn it!

Friends keep reasuring me that loads of Cambridge medics get rejected by other places- but that in itself isn't very reasuring. Especially if medical schools are filtering people at this stage into 'different types of doctors'. But on another level I guess it does make sense, as you wouldn't want to give the scientific grounding to someone who's just not interested, and equally you don't want someone who may become dissatisfied with the course.

Sorry for the rather long winded post. I just feel like a loose part in the system atm. Hopefully I'll find where I'm useful soon.


Unlucky, Vesicle :hugs:

Try not to dwell on what UCL said about you- if you think about it, they saw a tiny snapshot of you at a very stressful time when you went to interview and made a judgement based on that. I'm not saying interviews are unfair of course, but your teachers definitely know you better and considering their comments are pretty much the opposite, I know which I'd be inclined to believe if I were you :smile:

Also remember that medical schools are selecting people who they think will thrive on their type of course. Maybe you wouldn't fit their system, but that doesn't mean that you won't become a good doctor or clinician, it just means that you would blossom into that elsewhere. Cambridge wants you for a reason, so they obviously can see what you're capable of and recognise that you will suit their type of teaching.
Chin up :smile: You have an exceptional place to go, where no doubt you will become a good doctor so all is not lost! I know it's easier said than done, but try to forget their comments and focus on the fact that you do have a place to study Medicine and that you can fulfil your dream there. :hugs:
Reply 116
*stars and stripes*
Unlucky, Vesicle :hugs:

Try not to dwell on what UCL said about you- if you think about it, they saw a tiny snapshot of you at a very stressful time when you went to interview and made a judgement based on that. I'm not saying interviews are unfair of course, but your teachers definitely know you better and considering their comments are pretty much the opposite, I know which I'd be inclined to believe if I were you :smile:

Also remember that medical schools are selecting people who they think will thrive on their type of course. Maybe you wouldn't fit their system, but that doesn't mean that you won't become a good doctor or clinician, it just means that you would blossom into that elsewhere. Cambridge wants you for a reason, so they obviously can see what you're capable of and recognise that you will suit their type of teaching.
Chin up :smile: You have an exceptional place to go, where no doubt you will become a good doctor so all is not lost! I know it's easier said than done, but try to forget their comments and focus on the fact that you do have a place to study Medicine and that you can fulfil your dream there. :hugs:


Thank you Danielle :hugs:. I don't usually dwell on things, but I guess it was quite late last night when I got the news, and I was tired and apathetic. What you said about the interview is so true, and mirrors what my from tutor said, although she was much more indigant at them making markedly personal judgements with very little information. But then I guess that it the nature of human interacts.

Anyway, I think I should definitely stop worrying/feeling insecure, as I am incredibly lucky to have a place at Fitz, and will be taught by people who I really loved at interview.

And, I guess in a way these rejections have been good for me- as it's made me reasess my values, made me more grounded, and realise my limitations, and also how easily perhaps that I can give the wrong impression. Hopefully I'll never lose my drive to be a good doctor (or my understanding of one anyway).
Vesicle
Thank you Danielle :hugs:. I don't usually dwell on things, but I guess it was quite late last night when I got the news, and I was tired and apathetic. What you said about the interview is so true, and mirrors what my from tutor said, although she was much more indigant at them making markedly personal judgements with very little information. But then I guess that it the nature of human interacts.

Anyway, I think I should definitely stop worrying/feeling insecure, as I am incredibly lucky to have a place at Fitz, and will be taught by people who I really loved at interview.

And, I guess in a way these rejections have been good for me- as it's made me reasess my values, made me more grounded, and realise my limitations, and also how easily perhaps that I can give the wrong impression. Hopefully I'll never lose my drive to be a good doctor (or my understanding of one anyway).


That's quite alright, everyone has those kind of moments when you're tired and they have a horrible habit of dragging you down momentarily. Glad to hear you have people supporting you :smile:

Don't worry, I think everyone's a big insecure about going into Medicine- you don't know really what to expect and it's a big leap of faith going to study something at uni that's different to everything you've ever studied before! Then there's the fact that it's something you'll probably be doing for the rest of your life... :eek: I'm scaring myself now!

Now there's a positive way to look at it! Every cloud has a silver lining, as they say... if you didn't have an offer for Fitz, you'd never have started talking to weirdos such as myself in the Offer Holders' thread :wink:

EDIT: Also, thank you for the rep- it really was very unnecessary, but appreciated nonetheless :smile:
Reply 118
*stars and stripes*
That's quite alright, everyone has those kind of moments when you're tired and they have a horrible habit of dragging you down momentarily. Glad to hear you have people supporting you :smile:

Don't worry, I think everyone's a big insecure about going into Medicine- you don't know really what to expect and it's a big leap of faith going to study something at uni that's different to everything you've ever studied before! Then there's the fact that it's something you'll probably be doing for the rest of your life... :eek: I'm scaring myself now!

Now there's a positive way to look at it! Every cloud has a silver lining, as they say... if you didn't have an offer for Fitz, you'd never have started talking to weirdos such as myself in the Offer Holders' thread :wink:

EDIT: Also, thank you for the rep- it really was very unnecessary, but appreciated nonetheless :smile:


Erk, yes Medicine can seem so scary sometimes. It's more that it seems so focused, and once you decide on it, it just carries you forward down some unending tunnel and forgetting to ask you if that's what you really want. But hopefully as we're happy with it at the start, we'll still be happy with it years down the line...

Lol. You are too hard on yourself. I certainly wouldn't have started talking to you lovely people if I hadn't got an offer! :biggrin:

ETA: well, it was really very selfish of me anyway, as thanking you made myself feel better? lol. So all is good.
Vesicle
Erk, yes Medicine can seem so scary sometimes. It's more that it seems so focused, and once you decide on it, it just carries you forward down some unending tunnel and forgetting to ask you if that's what you really want. But hopefully as we're happy with it at the start, we'll still be happy with it years down the line...

Lol. You are too hard on yourself. I certainly wouldn't have started talking to you lovely people if I hadn't got an offer! :biggrin:

ETA: well, it was really very selfish of me anyway, as thanking you made myself feel better? lol. So all is good.


I know what you mean...you get the feeling you're being washed along in a strong tide and although it's what you definitely want now, you have to just hold on and hope it's what you want later, otherwise you'll have a hell of a job getting back! To be honest though, I'm sure I'll feel the same way as I do now and if I don't, then I'll cross that bridge when I come to it! :smile:

I think Danielle and 'being too hard on herself' come as a pair- there's nothing you can do to split them :wink: However, I like being a little crazy, and to me, it's a compliment when people tell me I am :biggrin:

All is well with the world then! Feel free to indulge yourself in posting to make yourself feel better any time you like :smile:

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