Would Jeremy Corbyn as Leader make Labour unelectable?

1. Facts please?
2. And what 'good' things can you tell about the rest of those who run for leader of Labour? Because if those are angels and Corbyn the only badboy, I fear not much impartiality in your words is present.

He doesn't have any facts, any more than the rest of the ghastly Labour Right have when they smear him.

Seen that a person has repeated been posting the same things (about Corbyns alleged 'sins' makes me think of propaganda honestly... What I see, as a foreigner is that there is a huge bloc united against Corbyn and however I doubt that they want to 'save Britain from that villain', more likely they want to continue the way they had been working for two decades... And that's far from anything good and nice.

For someone who claims not to be strongly motivated by Zionism, you certainly come across with all the usual Israeli government lines.

1. Facts please?

People interested to actually find out what Corbyn himself says, as opposed to disgusting right wing Labour smearing gangsters say, can check out his campaign website.
http://www.jeremyforlabour.com/

Seen that a person has repeated been posting the same things (about Corbyns alleged 'sins' makes me think of propaganda honestly)

What usual government lines? That Hamas' charter is fundamentally anti-semitic and genocidal? That's a fact. Read Article 7 of the charter.

It's clear that all you have in your arsenal is personal attacks and logical fallacies. Any facts I raise are simply responded to with comments along the lines of "You're just pro-Israeli".

I note again that you avoided dealing with PRC's association with the Palestine Telegraph, and Corbyn accepting lavish hospitality and accomodation from oil billionaires.

As for the "red tory" comment, by that it is just meant that labour have continued to move further right and further away from their roots in order to gain more votes. It doesn't mean they are literally the same as the tory party (which you seem to think it does), the conservatives are far worse.

Corbyn's accepting £2,800 cash gift from Interpal.

Corbyn's accepting £2,450 in hospitality and accomodation from PRC.

Corbyn's accepting thousands of pounds of gifts in kind from oil billionaire Ardeshir Nargshineh

Don't you think it's pretty offensive to call someone who is solidly Labour, who supports the Labour movement and trade unions (Kendall has some great policies like mandating worker representation on corporate boards) is a Tory? Doesn't it just come across as extreme, as a kind of unpleasant angry obsession with "purity"?

I note that you don't give any evidence for the oil billionaire allegation

Are you talking about Corbyn's trip to visit Hamas?

The Palestinians have within their ranks a range of people, some of them, yes, very angry and extreme people committed to violence, others less so.

If you aren't particularly pro-Israeli (something I am finding hard to believe, given your approach) then it's even more disgusting that as a Labour supporter you are using the sort of lines that come straight from Tel Aviv's PR machine and the MI6 agents operating on their behalf in the Telegraph

It really makes one despair about the capacity of the Labour Party to ever truly represent honest causes.

I wonder if it's generally known that Liz Kendall's supporters are quoting right wing Tory journalist Andrew Gilligan's articles as the mainstay of their attacks on Corbyn?

Ah, OK, so we are discussing the Gilligan article.

The gift you are talking about was the expenses for the visit to Hamas.

Really desperate stuff. Have you got anything better or are you just going to keep rehashing Gilligan with your own made-up twists to try and make it sound better?

I wonder if it's generally known that Liz Kendall's supporters are quoting right wing Tory journalist Andrew Gilligan's articles as the mainstay of their attacks on Corbyn?

I specified the story; Corbyn accepted hospitality from Iranian oil billionaire Ardeshir Nargshineh



No, the oil billionaire thingy is his accepting a gift of a trip + accomodation to go to Iran (Jack Straw and Lord Lamont accepted the same hospitality from this oil guy)



What does that have to do with accepting money from them? There are many legitimate debates about what degree of interaction there should be between Israel and Hamas, and these are longstanding debates.

But I don't see what that has to do with taking thousands of pounds from people who say they want to kill all Jews worldwide. People who are not anti-semitic would usually be scrupulous about not associating with the KKK, neo-nazis and groups like Hamas



I never said I'm not pro-Israeli. In fact I said I'm a Zionist socialist. What does that have to do with the facts? If you are incapable of debating on the facts and simply accuse anyone who disagrees with you of being a Jewish spy, then you should probably cease coming on TSR as its clear you are incapable of adult conversation.



I don't see what's honest about accepting thousands in cash gifts and hospitality from some of the most unpleasant and bigoted people you could imagine

It's not propaganda if it's true.

I've posted the facts for you.

Out of interest, do you think it's wrong and offensive to call for the death of all Jews? Do you think it's offensive to deny the Holocaust?

It's good that you've admitted that your motivation is a Zionist one.

I was right when I said that a rational dialogue would be impossible.

They pick on the original Hamas charter, which unsurprisingly contained some extreme elements, given that the Israelis were constantly attacking their leaders and the people of Gaza and the West Bank.

It may not suit the Tel Aviv propaganda mill

Corbyn for visiting Iran with the bill paid by a property developer is a bit of a stretch.