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Fixing Benefits Britain

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Original post by Cadherin
Perhaps if you tried putting yourself out, and even merely attempting to gain employment, you wouldn't feel this way.


Oh my God, you're so right, a job would remove all my problems.

Seriously, **** right off.
Original post by SmallTownGirl
Oh my God, you're so right, a job would remove all my problems.

Seriously, **** right off.


Perhaps it would. You seem very defensive - is this the reason you stated on your claimant form as to why you cannot get a job?
Reply 82
Original post by Cadherin
A working age benefit for the disabled. I have stated repeatedly that the disabled should be exempted from welfare truncation.


Carers aren't disabled.

So do you disagree with contribution based JSA?
Original post by Cadherin
Yes, it is worth the sacrifice. Just as I disagree with corporate taxpayer subsidies, I disagree similarly with working age benefits.

It is not the only lifeline they have, the best and most cost-effective lifeline they have is getting employed!


So what happens to all the people that have been ''sacrificed'' then?

Also, you speak of employment like it's just sitting on a plate ready to be served. You do realise there's a certain amount of employment shortage, right?

Also, some people are unfortunate enough to be somewhat unemployable on the surface, either due to appearance, borderline mental deficiency, inexperience, location etc.

One thing I will say though is hopefully the digital age brings us less of the need to travel fo work or interact with others in our work. Perhaps this will give the unfortunates a fighting chance. If only employers could catch up properly.

I'm not understanding why all this fuss over money that goes on benefits. It doesn't make logical mathematical sense when so much more of taxpayers money gets squandered elsewhere. It's a diversion.

I suspect that it's actually not to do with money. It's more to do with a deep-seated judgementalism that ignorant people have of people that for one reason or another don't work. And the only information they get is from the fuming red-faced hysterical media, hence the arrival of the phrase ''workshy''. A bit like the phrases ''Hard work'', ''Hard working families'' and ''Vile''. Pure and simple brainwashing of the arrogant who are not half as intelligent as they like to think they are.
Original post by Quady
Carers aren't disabled.

So do you disagree with contribution based JSA?


Yes. I was referring to public funding for carers - this is part of the budget for disabled welfare.
Original post by Cadherin
'Middle England brainwashing' - does 'lefty northern, Welsh or Scottish brainwashing' spring to mind for you then?


Not really, no. I am not any of those things.

I'm a fairly apolitical Englishman. I prefer logic and figures to address my arguments.
Original post by Cadherin
Perhaps it would. You seem very defensive - is this the reason you stated on your claimant form as to why you cannot get a job?


Maybe I'm defensive because someone who's never met me and doesn't know about how my illnesses affect me seems to think they're the expect on my life?
Reply 87
Original post by Cadherin
Yes. I was referring to public funding for carers - this is part of the budget for disabled welfare.


ok, so how about contribution based JSA?
Original post by Cadherin
The majority of forms of mental illness do not mean one cannot get a job. Agoraphobia or compulsive hoarding are very different from not being able to walk. I'm sure you know that.


I never mentioned physical disabilities?

And thanks for answering my question - you really are clueless about mental illness.
Original post by SmallTownGirl
Ok, so I need MORE stigma. I already know there are lots of people that would consider me a 'scrounger' and say that my illnesses aren't real. Christ I beat myself up enough about claiming benefits but when I only leave the house to buy food and spend all day in bed surrounded by a growing pile of rubbish, I don't have a choice.


Don't listen to idiots like this.

It shouldn't be called benefits in the first place - it should be called 'money so I don't lose my home and starve'. These people with a lack of compassion tend to have never experienced any hardship in their life living on the bank of mum and dad or never having the unfortunate experience of being made redundant.
we must cut back the public sector bureaucracy by 50% - welfare state by 60%
Original post by frankieboy
So what happens to all the people that have been ''sacrificed'' then?

Also, you speak of employment like it's just sitting on a plate ready to be served. You do realise there's a certain amount of employment shortage, right?

Also, some people are unfortunate enough to be somewhat unemployable on the surface, either due to appearance, borderline mental deficiency, inexperience, location etc.

One thing I will say though is hopefully the digital age brings us less of the need to travel fo work or interact with others in our work. Perhaps this will give the unfortunates a fighting chance. If only employers could catch up properly.

I'm not understanding why all this fuss over money that goes on benefits. It doesn't make logical mathematical sense when so much more of taxpayers money gets squandered elsewhere. It's a diversion.

I suspect that it's actually not to do with money. It's more to do with a deep-seated judgementalism that ignorant people have of people that for one reason or another don't work. And the only information they get is from the fuming red-faced hysterical media, hence the arrival of the phrase ''workshy''. A bit like the phrases ''Hard work'', ''Hard working families'' and ''Vile''. Pure and simple brainwashing of the arrogant who are not half as intelligent as they like to think they are.


All of the people who are 'sacrificed' now have some motivation to get a job and work harder to get one. There would not be an employment shortage if corporation tax is reduced and small and medium-sized businesses had tax exemptions. In order to do this, the national debt should be reduced and, in order to do this, various budgets should be severely reduced, such as removal of working-age benefits (with the disabled exempted), defence, international aid, environmental initiatives, certain infrastructure projects which do not provide value for money, etc.

People who are 'borderline mental deficient' can get jobs - there are plenty of plumbers and deliverymen in this country who don't have a clue what they're doing, believe me. Yet they still get employed.
Reply 92
Original post by Bill_Gates
we must cut back the public sector bureaucracy by 50% - welfare state by 60%


bye-bye defence, bye-bye police, bye-bye prisons
Original post by Brit_Miller
Don't listen to idiots like this.

It shouldn't be called benefits in the first place - it should be called 'money so I don't lose my home and starve'. These people with a lack of compassion tend to have never experienced any hardship in their life living on the bank of mum and dad or never having the unfortunate experience of being made redundant.


'Lack of compassion'?! What about the compassion for our children and grandchildren who will have to pay off national debt interest as well as working people, who pay tax?
Original post by Quady
bye-bye defence, bye-bye police, bye-bye prisons


Again, if we had the death penalty, that would save an enormous amount of money compared to keeping murderers and terrorists in prison, but let's not get into that debate now.
Original post by Brit_Miller
Don't listen to idiots like this.

It shouldn't be called benefits in the first place - it should be called 'money so I don't lose my home and starve'. These people with a lack of compassion tend to have never experienced any hardship in their life living on the bank of mum and dad or never having the unfortunate experience of being made redundant.


It's ok, I can cope with self-hatred. I'm kinda used to it.
Original post by Quady
bye-bye defence, bye-bye police, bye-bye prisons


don't require defence we are not an empire any more just a small island.
police are already overpaid - many of the security jobs we can ask corporations to chip in
prisons can be privatised for profit would allow more jobs to be created and more of the cretin to be behind bars
Original post by OU Student
I never mentioned physical disabilities?

And thanks for answering my question - you really are clueless about mental illness.


I was comparing them for you so you could be reminded of how very different they are. In fact, I wouldn't class 'agoraphobia' and 'compulsive hoarding' as disabilities - they are easily treatable conditions of delusion.
Original post by Cadherin


People who are 'borderline mental deficient' can get jobs - there are plenty of plumbers and deliverymen in this country who don't have a clue what they're doing, believe me. Yet they still get employed.


Do you realise how much of an insult that is? Not everyone who is supposedly "boderline mental deficient" can drive.
Original post by Cadherin
The majority of forms of mental illness do not mean one cannot get a job. Agoraphobia or compulsive hoarding are very different from not being able to walk. I'm sure you know that.


Agoraphobia meaning most people can't get out of the house, and often feel very uncomfortable socialising and interacting with other people, to boot.

You can't see why that would make it almost impossible for someone to gain employment?

Compulsive hoarding - I don't know where you got that from, but let's roll with it. It would be a symptom of OCD, which in itself could also make it very difficult for someone to gain employment. For a big variety of reasons, not just one or two.

If you don't understand why these conditions would make it difficult, I suggest you find out. It'll be a real eye-opener for you.

It's a very common thing even in today's day and age of science and education, that able-bodied, able-minded people just simply do not posess the empathy or imagination to understand these forms of mental illness. Why, I don't know. Self-absorbtion? Mild psycopaphy? Weird. Personally I think it's fairly obvious why these conditions would make it extremely hard for a person to gain any kind of meaningful employment.

I guess it's like an inflated version of people that don't get hayfeaver not understanding those that do and the every day problems that it brings. People just don't stop to think outside of their own little tiny universe. Which by default makes them less intelligent than they like to think they are.

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