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Reply 40
Fascinating, if it becomes possible and available in my life time i'd love to do it.


As for people who seem so certain that they'd rather die, that's just denial for many people. For others, man would you rather not live an extremely long life to the fullest BEFORE deciding that immortality is boring? You can always opt to commit 'suicide' one day but as far as we know, once you're dead that's it.

I will be following this very closely.



The issue about over population is obviously a big one, but personally if I was given the choice between biological immortality and having children, i'd pick the former. Of course if this happens in our lifetime we'll probably already have kids and even grandchildren so that's a non issue for us.

I'm assuming until we one day colonised another planet, the medicine would be conditional.on the terms that you would not be allowed to conceive children.
Original post by Birkenhead
He's a millionaire; the idea that he has dedicated his life to this for a pension when he is already minted is absurd - where would such a pension even come from exactly? As for talk, he has personally contributed millions towards the research which has had its results published in respected scientific journals. You obviously haven't bothered to acquire even a superficial understanding of what is going on here.



Watch the bloody material. Scores of luminary biologists are supportive of the project, such as the 25 world-class scientists directly involved in it, and significant breakthroughs in the research have been published in peer-reviewed scientific journals. The BBC was not 'debating' anything, it was reporting the news.


im hugely sceptical. since when has science delivered like this? theyre misleading and being dramatic thats what im getting at. its never that simple etc....goodnight sir.
I saw a documentary almost a decade ago about a lab in the USA that managed to get worms live twice their normal lifespan. I thought they'd make improvements by now(they said they would soon) but I haven't heard anything since then.

I do find science stuff fascinating but idk I'm not excited about this 'live longer/forever' thing anymore. It's not like I could ever afford such things(if they would really make a cure and comercialise it) and I imagine the procedures have side effects(modifying genomes is extreme and risky). And I really don't find these stuff interesting, it's far too sci fi if you ask me. I can't relate to it at all.
There's also a lot of marketing involved to get people say 'oh, how awesome!'. I'm still against GM foods lmao this is just too much imho.

I'm just going to make the most of my miserable lifespan.

Congrats on the project though. Just because it doesn't interest me much it doesn't mean I don't realise it's a big breakthrough.
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Reply 43
Holy **** man I laughed my head off when my friend showed me this guy. Weird bearded up dude telling me I'm gonna live to 1000 in a few years why do people believe in this and not aliens?

Even if his crazy schemes did somehow work governments will never allow it. People are living 20 years longer than 50 years ago and even that is ****ing up the economy hardcore.
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Reply 44
Original post by Birkenhead
Would you would prefer to die permanently after less than a century than to live for at least a couple of hundred years more and have the opportunity to experience our planet and all its treasures to a far greater degree than is currently possible?


Immortality would slow down scientific progress. People don't change their ideas, they die and get replaced by more rational people. Do you think homosexuality would be legal today is George II or whatever was still alive?
Valar Morghulis.
Reply 46
Very interesting. I have not looked at de Grey yet, but I have seen this issue approached by Ray Kurzweil in relation to the technological singularity, arguing that it will enable us to achieve biological (or indeed non-biological) immortality. He is completely serious about this - he spends $100k a year on super-clean living and gene therapy in order to extend his life until the singularity occurs.
The planet is fast turning into a vast skankhole as it is through overpopulation. Politicians are terrified of tackling it in a democracy as to even bring it up is to commit electoral suicide.
Instead of helping the most entitled privilege people on the planet live even longer, people whose carbon footprint is 10x somebody in Africa, why not put the money into helping them live a bit longer?
What am I saying. Never happen.
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Reply 48
No thnx, i want to die as soon as i have achieved what i wanted to do.
I'm skeptical that It will be scientifically possible anytime soon however as a supporter of liberal eugenics I certainly support the genetic manipulation of our species to promote increased life expectancy.
Original post by asmuse123
Have you not heard of transhumanism? Or 3D biological printing?


Yes, we are all well aware of the transhumanism cult.
Reply 51
Original post by Birkenhead
Would you would prefer to die permanently after less than a century than to live for at least a couple of hundred years more and have the opportunity to experience our planet and all its treasures to a far greater degree than is currently possible?


Maybe a bit longer than a century, like 150 years maybe. Problem is, if these advances are as good as they say - there'll be no pensions or retiring...

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Original post by NaTaLiiA513
It's not possible.
Never was.
Never is.
Never will be.


Not true. People living 500 years ago would have said the same about aeroplanes, electricity and mobile phones.

Besides, it already is a reality. There are animals that are already biologically immortal. We only need to find a way to integrate this into humans.
Original post by Trev_
Fascinating, if it becomes possible and available in my life time i'd love to do it.


As for people who seem so certain that they'd rather die, that's just denial for many people. For others, man would you rather not live an extremely long life to the fullest BEFORE deciding that immortality is boring? You can always opt to commit 'suicide' one day but as far as we know, once you're dead that's it.

I will be following this very closely.



The issue about over population is obviously a big one, but personally if I was given the choice between biological immortality and having children, i'd pick the former. Of course if this happens in our lifetime we'll probably already have kids and even grandchildren so that's a non issue for us.

I'm assuming until we one day colonised another planet, the medicine would be conditional.on the terms that you would not be allowed to conceive children.


^This is the exact reason it should not happen

The only way we can decide life is over is to kill ourselves. What a dumb idea. So so dumb.
Original post by Plantagenet Crown
Not true. People living 500 years ago would have said the same about aeroplanes, electricity and mobile phones.

Besides, it already is a reality. There are animals that are already biologically immortal. We only need to find a way to integrate this into humans.


No it isn't.

Give me a rifle, let me shoot this animal, and we'll see if it's "immortal" yeah?
Original post by ComputerMaths97
Nature will always find a way to overcome our cures, I'm certain of that.

Immortality is impossible. However being immune to illnesses or age, I see that as possible. But you can't survive a slit to the throat, a gunshot to the face, a meteor colliding with the Earth.

It would also massively devalue life, which is one of the worst things I see happening.


I don't think that what he's advocating, that would be literal immortality where you would be able to survive anything.

This issue is biological immortality, like the elves in Lord of the Rings. As long as they always have food they live forever, but they can still be killed.
Original post by ComputerMaths97
No it isn't.

Give me a rifle, let me shoot this animal, and we'll see if it's "immortal" yeah?


It is biologically immortal.
I would love to be immortal, I don't think I would get bored. I could undertake hundred or thousands of life projects and see the world, as well as live through historical events and acquire untold wisdom.
Great thread OP!
I think if Kurzweil's timeline for the Singularity is true we could achieve vastly expanded lifespans by the middle of this century...
Reply 59
Original post by Birkenhead
I have been surprised to find very little interest in this subject for what its implications are, so here is some information for those that may not know much or anything about it. The bottom line is that within the lifetimes of virtually and possibly every member of this forum technology will be developed to 'cure' humanity of illness and the aging process and thereby prolong human life for thousands of years and even indefinitely - in a state of permanent youth and good health.

Thoughts? I was sceptical about the desirability of this at first and the social complications it would cause but the force of de Grey's arguments have somewhat persuaded me and created an excitement in me at the prospect of living for thousands of years, possibly even 'forever'.

Below are some links to some of the many interviews, articles and talks Aubrey de Grey has given on the subject.


Yes, I've read a bit of Aubrey de Grey's work, and it's interesting.

Hopefully, him and other scientists will find a way to extend life, hopefully indefinitely, in the next few decades. I'm probably not completely on board with transhumanism as a whole, however.
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