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Turkey bombs both ISIS and the Kurdish forces who are fighting against ISIS?

Can anyone shed light on why the Turkish Army wants to go after the Kurds so badly when Kurdish units have proved to be among the best at taking the fight to ISIS? What's this Turkish Prime Minister up to?

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Kurdish seperatism duhhh. This could mean parts of kurdish dominated turkey split to form an indepedndent state along with other nations like syria with large kurdish minorities.
The Turkish army carried out strikes against the PKK, a "terrorist" entity which claimed responsibility for the killing of two Turkish soldiers in the last couple of days.
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Original post by TheTruthTeller
Kurdish seperatism duhhh. This could mean parts of kurdish dominated turkey split to form an indepedndent state along with other nations like syria with large kurdish minorities.


So they want to stop the Kurds taking a chunk of land of Turkey and forming a Kurdish state. Maybe Turkey should have just treated them better than they have in the past?
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Kurdish seperatism duhhh. This could mean parts of kurdish dominated turkey split to form an indepedndent state along with other nations like syria with large kurdish minorities.


Turkey is less concerned about a Kurdish state breaking off Turkey (that's never going to happen) so much as one emerging in Northern Syria.

They don't want that to happen. The Turkish government are hypocrites par excellence in this matter, they accuse the PKK of terrorism but Erdogan's extremist Islamofascist government was all but supporting ISIS by allowing thousands of fighters to cross into Syria, and allowing ISIS to cross the border into Turkey to resupply
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Why has the Middle East gone to hell ever since this war on terror?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-33675760

Turkey has bombed the PKK in Iraq, after PKK attacks in Turkey.

Meanwhile, the YPG (the Syrian Kurdish forces) say that Turkey shelled some of their positions in two villages - Zormikhar and Til Findire (you'll see slightly different spellings sometimes, which can cause confusion). Turkey denies this and says it is investigating.

I don't know if the reports about Syrian Kurds are true or not. The first casualty of war is truth, and it could just be rumours or a misunderstanding. However, the YPG have put out a statement, and their official statements have been more reliable than twitter rumours in the past.
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The Turkish response to the growth of Daesh/ISIS has been an absolute disgrace.
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I think the men and women of the YPG have been doing gutsy, unequivocal work combatting ISIS in Syria, God Bless 'em. I'm dubious of Erdogan's motivation for his new military stance against ISIS. It just seems unconvincing considering his reputation as a bit of a religious hardliner himself and not least Turkey's way of controlling it's border which seems more sympathetic to ISIS than those fighting them or escaping from them. Turkish authorities should have offered sanctuary to those scores of Yazidis fleeing from death or capture by ISIS, but they shut the gate on them! That was very bad.
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Turkey are more concerned about the emergence of a Kurdish state than anything else, they fear them more than the lunatics fighting them. It has been most useful to have Daesh and the Kurds killing each other, they must have enjoyed the view of Kobane big time and of course they wouldn't be bothered at all by the massacre of all in it, now that it begins to look the Kurds will hold their own and expect a claim to the soil they've been shedding their blood over... that is the next war in line.

Turkey will not want the US helping the Kurds, there was some lovey-dovey communique from NATO today towards the Turks because they will have demanded it, they pretend to attack Daesh for sake of appearances and we pretend to believe it and that seems to be the deal.

Conspiracy theorists will have noticed how helpful it was, in a certain way, to have the incidents that caused a Turkish springing into action. They all believe the US and Israel pull all the strings in this world, serves them right to fall under suspicion on this one.
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Meanwhile, the YPG (the Syrian Kurdish forces) say that Turkey shelled some of their positions in two villages - Zormikhar and Til Findire (you'll see slightly different spellings sometimes, which can cause confusion). Turkey denies this and says it is investigating.

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**** happens.
Original post by Marco1
Can anyone shed light on why the Turkish Army wants to go after the Kurds so badly when Kurdish units have proved to be among the best at taking the fight to ISIS? What's this Turkish Prime Minister up to?


Basically there are large Kurdish regions in Iran, Turkey, Syria and Iraq. Now the Kurds have an autonomous region in Iraq and with the collapse of Syria they may well redraw the border rather than give it back post-Assad. The Turks don't want a bigger Kurdish region of Iraq on their border encouraging Turkish Kurds to join them.
Yes, Turkey is still a rogue state.
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Basically there are large Kurdish regions in Iran, Turkey, Syria and Iraq. Now the Kurds have an autonomous region in Iraq and with the collapse of Syria they may well redraw the border rather than give it back post-Assad. The Turks don't want a bigger Kurdish region of Iraq on their border encouraging Turkish Kurds to join them.


Thanks for the info. All interesting.
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Thanks for the info. All interesting.


Its worth saying that unlike the likes of the Palestinians who are viewed negatively even by the people who dislike Israel the Kurds are widely viewed quite highly as Muslims go. Ever since the west crushed Saddam in 91 they've seemed genuinely grateful and pro-western which aids their cause for an independent Kurdistan, another reason Turkey does not want a strong Kurdish region with autonomy.
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Basically there are large Kurdish regions in Iran, Turkey, Syria and Iraq. Now the Kurds have an autonomous region in Iraq and with the collapse of Syria they may well redraw the border rather than give it back post-Assad. The Turks don't want a bigger Kurdish region of Iraq on their border encouraging Turkish Kurds to join them.


Err, everyone hits the roof when ISIS tries to capture territory but not when the Kurds try to do it?
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Err, everyone hits the roof when ISIS tries to capture territory but not when the Kurds try to do it?


US/western self interest.
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Err, everyone hits the roof when ISIS tries to capture territory but not when the Kurds try to do it?


As far as I can see the Kurds aren't burning people alive or cutting off heads to provoke the west... So they can take what ever they can get their hands on I don't care.


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As far as I can see the Kurds aren't burning people alive or cutting off heads to provoke the west... So they can take what ever they can get their hands on I don't care.


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So if ISIS wasn't burning people alive or cutting their heads off, you'd be apathetic?
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So if ISIS wasn't burning people alive or cutting their heads off, you'd be apathetic?


If they weren't trying to make the world Islamic and pushing their sharia law also then yes. But they are savages who follow the worst religion in the 21st century in the worst possible way so I'd rather they just got eliminated at this point.


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