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Geometric series C2

Question:
All the terms of a certain geometric series are positive. The first term is a and the second term is a2a a^{2}-a . Find the set of values of a for which the series converges.


AEB NOV.87 (PAPER)

My answer was 0<a<1
but the book answer is 1<a<2 why? I thought that since all the series are positive then it is 0<a<1 but i must be wrong i want to understand the reasoning behind the answer given by the book


Thank you very much for helping
Original post by bigmansouf
Question:
All the terms of a certain geometric series are positive. The first term is a and the second term is a2a a^{2}-a . Find the set of values of a for which the series converges.


AEB NOV.87 (PAPER)

My answer was 0<a<1
but the book answer is 1<a<2 why? I thought that since all the series are positive then it is 0<a<1 but i must be wrong i want to understand the reasoning behind the answer given by the book


Thank you very much for helping


When does a geometric series converge?

What is the value you need to calculate and use here?
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Original post by SeanFM
When does a geometric series converge?

What is the value you need to calculate and use here?



Question:
All the terms of a certain geometric series are positive. The first term is a and the second term is a^{2}-a . Find the set of values of a for which the series converges.

Given that a= 53 \frac{5}{3}

a) find the sum of the first 10 terms of the series, giving your answers to 2 decimal places
b)show that the sum to infinity of the series is 5
c) find the least number of terms of the series required to make their sum exceed 4.999

that's the full question
Original post by bigmansouf
Question:
All the terms of a certain geometric series are positive. The first term is a and the second term is a^{2}-a . Find the set of values of a for which the series converges.

Given that a= 53 \frac{5}{3}

a) find the sum of the first 10 terms of the series, giving your answers to 2 decimal places
b)show that the sum to infinity of the series is 5
c) find the least number of terms of the series required to make their sum exceed 4.999

that's the full question


Okay. I'll ask the same questions as I did in my previous post.

If I had a series a, ar.... What is the condition for the series converging? How will that help to answer the question?
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Original post by SeanFM
Okay. I'll ask the same questions as I did in my previous post.

If I had a series a, ar.... What is the condition for the series converging? How will that help to answer the question?


the condition is that r being the common ratio is -1<r<1 in order for the series to converge
the series will converge when it tends towards a specific value
when I sub a = 5/3 into the sum to infinity formula i get 5/9


To be honest im a bit confused. All i know is that convergence means that there is a sum to infinity.
Original post by bigmansouf
the condition is that r being the common ratio is -1<r<1 in order for the series to converge
the series will converge when it tends towards a specific value
when I sub a = 5/3 into the sum to infinity formula i get 5/9


To be honest im a bit confused. All i know is that convergence means that there is a sum to infinity.


That's right. So what do you do next?

If it helps, think of the series 1, 4, 16... That's going off to infinity, you can't sum it. There, the ratio is >1.

Then think of 1, 1/2, 1/4... You can see what the sum will converge to, and note that the ratio is <1. So that's what the condition means.

You've identified the first bit of information :smile:,so what do you do next?
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Reply 6
I think i have the answer please bare with me

I decided to do: r=U2U1=a2aa=a1 r= \frac{U_{2}}{U_{1}}= \frac{a^{2}-a}{a}=a-1
r=a1 r=a-1

if the series is to converge (remembering that GP is positive) thus
0<r<1

thus:
0<r<1=a1 0<r<1=a-1

(0<r<1)+1=a[br]1<r<2=a[br]1<a<2 (0<r<1)+1=a[br]\therefore 1<r<2=a [br]\therefore 1<a<2

thats my answer or my thoughts
(edited 8 years ago)
Original post by bigmansouf
I think i have the answer please bare with me

I decided to do: r=U2U1=a2aa=a1 r= \frac{U_{2}}{U_{1}}= \frac{a^{2}-a}{a}=a-1
r=a1 r=a-1

if the series is to converge (remembering that GP is positive) thus
0<r<1

thus:
0<r<1=a1 0<r<1=a-1

(0<r<1)+1=a[br]1<r<2=a[br]1<a<2 (0<r<1)+1=a[br]\therefore 1<r<2=a [br]\therefore 1<a<2

thats my answer or my thoughts


Yes, well done :smile:

A hint you could have seen is that they give 5/3 as r later, so your range would have to contain that.

And if you quote users when replying it saves them time and possibly not responding as they don't know that you have responded.
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Original post by SeanFM
Yes, well done :smile:

A hint you could have seen is that they give 5/3 as r later, so your range would have to contain that.

And if you quote users when replying it saves them time and possibly not responding as they don't know that you have responded.


thank you very much I never thought anyone will be up at this time
Original post by bigmansouf
thank you very much I never thought anyone will be up at this time


Im in BST + 8, which is the same as GMT + 9 :wink:
one question

shouldn't this be:

(0<r<1)+1=a[br]1<r+1<2=a[br]1<a<2 (0<r<1)+1=a[br]\therefore 1<r+1<2=a [br]\therefore 1<a<2


instead of


(0<r<1)+1=a[br]1<r<2=a[br]1<a<2 (0<r<1)+1=a[br]\therefore 1<r<2=a [br]\therefore 1<a<2
Original post by bigmansouf
one question

shouldn't this be:

(0<r<1)+1=a[br]1<r+1<2=a[br]1<a<2 (0<r<1)+1=a[br]\therefore 1<r+1<2=a [br]\therefore 1<a<2


instead of


(0<r<1)+1=a[br]1<r<2=a[br]1<a<2 (0<r<1)+1=a[br]\therefore 1<r<2=a [br]\therefore 1<a<2


Perhaps I'm being dense but this notation looks gibberish; (0<r<1) does not represent a number.

I'd say:

Unparseable latex formula:

0<r<1[br]\[br]\text{Since r=a-1, we have}



0<a1<1[br]1<a<2 0 < a-1 < 1[br]\therefore 1<a<2
(edited 8 years ago)
thanks

Original post by ghostwalker
Perhaps I'm being dense but this notation looks gibberish; (0<r<1) does not represent a number.

I'd say:

Unparseable latex formula:

0<r<1[br]\[br]\text{Since r=a-1, we have}



0<a1<1[br]1<a<2 0 < a-1 < 1[br]\therefore 1<a<2


thank you

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