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Reply 40
Original post by newpersonage
Hitler was ideologically allied to Mussolini. It is National Socialist ideology that you admire. Pure evil.

BTW, it was the Nazis who set the EU in motion: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/lee.riley/Notices/EWG.pdf


No it isnt, national socialism isn't confined to one version. Before the war and even during the war Germany was light years ahead in terms of technology compared to anyone, their economy was roaring and their education system was, simply put, sublime hence I prefer it easily over any communist regime in human history.
Original post by saeed97
No it isnt, national socialism isn't confined to one version. Before the war and even during the war Germany was light years ahead in terms of technology compared to anyone, their economy was roaring and their education system was, simply put, sublime hence I prefer it easily over any communist regime in human history.


The Cambridge spies and the Oxford spies used to say the same thing about Russia in the 1930s.

Germany was not ahead technologically. The British developed jet engines, radar and nuclear power in the 1930s, well ahead of the Germans. The spitfire was a better plane and the Lancaster bomber delivered 10 tons of bombs. Germany lost WWII because it wasn't technologically or administratively ahead. Hitler derailed the German war effort, when V2s were delivering a single high explosive hit British 1000 bomber raids were putting 5-10 kilotons on German towns a night (almost the same yield as the first atomic bomb). It was the British atomic bomb team that was the initial core of the Manhattan project.
Original post by MangoFreak
We need the most important part of communism - the end of private property.


But I want to own my own stuff
Reply 43
Original post by newpersonage
The Cambridge spies and the Oxford spies used to say the same thing about Russia in the 1930s.

Germany was not ahead technologically. The British developed jet engines, radar and nuclear power in the 1930s, well ahead of the Germans. The spitfire was a better plane and the Lancaster bomber delivered 10 tons of bombs. Germany lost WWII because it wasn't technologically or administratively ahead. Hitler derailed the German war effort, when V2s were delivering a single high explosive hit British 1000 bomber raids were putting 5-10 kilotons on German towns a night (almost the same yield as the first atomic bomb). It was the British atomic bomb team that was the initial core of the Manhattan project.


I was talking pre 1939, all i said was Britain+ nazi germany>USSR. And yeh i agree Britain was probably ahead of everyone in terms of aviation but without the USSR closing in on Germany I honestly believe the nazis would have won against Britain and France.
Original post by The two eds
But I want to own my own stuff


Private property is not personal property (like your house or your clothes or your food or your car).

Private property is basically a manifestation of bourgeois class interests, which allows them to exploit labour for profit, and which is upheld by the capitalist state through force.
Original post by MangoFreak
Private property is not personal property (like your house or your clothes or your food or your car).

Private property is basically a manifestation of bourgeois class interests, which allows them to exploit labour for profit, and which is upheld by the capitalist state through force.

I meant in terms of land and business space to exploit communists for my own financial gain. Don't worry I will make sure to pay the minimum wage, I care you see.
Original post by The two eds
I meant in terms of land and business space to exploit communists for my own financial gain. Don't worry I will make sure to pay the minimum wage, I care you see.


Not sure if you're being sarcastic (you're obviously being facetious).
Original post by newpersonage
The Cambridge spies and the Oxford spies used to say the same thing about Russia in the 1930s.

Germany was not ahead technologically. The British developed jet engines, radar and nuclear power in the 1930s, well ahead of the Germans. The spitfire was a better plane and the Lancaster bomber delivered 10 tons of bombs. Germany lost WWII because it wasn't technologically or administratively ahead. Hitler derailed the German war effort, when V2s were delivering a single high explosive hit British 1000 bomber raids were putting 5-10 kilotons on German towns a night (almost the same yield as the first atomic bomb). It was the British atomic bomb team that was the initial core of the Manhattan project.


Germany lost WWII because of the amazing Soviet defence and counter-invasion, basically ruining half the Wehrmacht.
Original post by MangoFreak
Not sure if you're being sarcastic (you're obviously being facetious).


I am very much being serious. It is my dream to dictate to communist employees and have capitalist advisors and MEN in high positions dishing out the commands. Communists are meant to be controlled.
Reply 49
Original post by Bornblue
Because you, like just about everyone on the right has failed to make the distinction between the ideology of communism and brutal dictators using it as an excuse.

There is nothing in the communist ideology about murder - there is nothing discriminatory in the ideology. At the heart of it is that we are all equal- you may disagree with that but unlike the Nazi ideology it. Does not advocate genocide or mass murder.


This is completely wrong, communism makes one enormous discrimination, it considers the proletariat superior to the bourgeoise and supports indiscriminate and violent force to deprive them of property, the bourgeoise is not limited to just the business class but priests as well, its no coincidence all communist societies promote atheism and burn down churches, since capitol is the basis of civil society the rule of law is destroyed and replaced with workers struggle against an 'other' which requires a strong centralised force to destroy

The bourgeoise and Jews are both scapegoats, both ideologies promote genocide
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Original post by whorace
This is completely wrong, communism makes one enormous discrimination, it considers the proletariat superior to the bourgeoise and supports indiscriminate and violent force to deprive them of property, the bourgeoise is not limited to just the business class but priests as well, its no coincidence all communist societies promote atheism and burn down churches, since capitol is the basis of civil society the rule of law is destroyed and replaced with workers struggle against an 'other' which requires a strong centralised force to destroy

The bourgeoise and Jews are both scapegoats, both ideologies promote genocide


lol I hope nobody listens to your reactionary propaganda
Original post by saeed97
I was talking pre 1939, all i said was Britain+ nazi germany>USSR. And yeh i agree Britain was probably ahead of everyone in terms of aviation but without the USSR closing in on Germany I honestly believe the nazis would have won against Britain and France.


The Russians did not counter attack until late 1941. The axis had been defeated in North Africa, losing half a million troops killed or captured (a defeat as great as that at Stalingrad) and putting Italy out of the War ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_African_Campaign ). After North Africa and Stalingrad they were finished. The USA entered at the very end of 1941 and would have ensured victory even if the Russians had not advanced.

France was an axis power in 1941, fighting alongside Germany and part of the EEC. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/lee.riley/Notices/EWG.pdf
Reply 52
Original post by MangoFreak
lol I hope nobody listens to your reactionary propaganda


Well reasoned argument but you demonstrate my point very nicely, free speech cannot exist in communism because anyone who disagrees is a reactionary that needs to be exterminated.
Reply 53
Original post by newpersonage
The Russians did not counter attack until late 1941. The axis had been defeated in North Africa, losing half a million troops killed or captured (a defeat as great as that at Stalingrad) and putting Italy out of the War ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_African_Campaign ). After North Africa and Stalingrad they were finished. The USA entered at the very end of 1941 and would have ensured victory even if the Russians had not advanced.

France was an axis power in 1941, fighting alongside Germany and part of the EEC. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/lee.riley/Notices/EWG.pdf


FFS we're going around in circles, if the nazi ideology is banned then so should the communist ideology, that was my point. The end.
Original post by MangoFreak
Germany lost WWII because of the amazing Soviet defence and counter-invasion, basically ruining half the Wehrmacht.


The Russians did not counter attack until late 1941. The axis had been defeated in North Africa, losing half a million troops killed or captured (a defeat as great as that at Stalingrad) and putting Italy out of the War ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_African_Campaign ). After North Africa and Stalingrad they were finished. The USA entered at the very end of 1941 and would have ensured victory even if the Russians had not advanced.

France was an axis power in 1941, fighting alongside Germany and part of the EEC. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/lee.riley/Notices/EWG.pdf

Yes, the Soviets changed sides after Hitler attacked them. Probably one of the most insane military decisions in world history. However, once the USA entered WWII the defeat of the axis was a forgone conclusion, it having already been fatally weakened by the British and Soviets.
Original post by saeed97
FFS we're going around in circles, if the nazi ideology is banned then so should the communist ideology, that was my point. The end.


They were allies in 1940. National Socialism and International Socialism were great pals.
Reply 56
Original post by saeed97
No it isnt, national socialism isn't confined to one version. Before the war and even during the war Germany was light years ahead in terms of technology compared to anyone, their economy was roaring and their education system was, simply put, sublime hence I prefer it easily over any communist regime in human history.


Not really, persecution of the Jews created a diaspora of intellectuals and meant truth was subverted to pseudo racial theories, certain theories such as relativity were discouraged, Nazi education had no other interest than submission to the leader principle
Reply 57
Original post by whorace
Not really, persecution of the Jews created a diaspora of intellectuals and meant truth was subverted to pseudo racial theories, certain theories such as relativity were discouraged, Nazi education had no other interest than submission to the leader principle


Yes sure, thats why so many nazis scientists were kidnapped by allied forces when the nazis fell, they wanted their submission levels to the fuhrer, not their scientific ability.
Original post by newpersonage
The Russians did not counter attack until late 1941. The axis had been defeated in North Africa, losing half a million troops killed or captured (a defeat as great as that at Stalingrad) and putting Italy out of the War ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_African_Campaign ). After North Africa and Stalingrad they were finished. The USA entered at the very end of 1941 and would have ensured victory even if the Russians had not advanced.

France was an axis power in 1941, fighting alongside Germany and part of the EEC. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/lee.riley/Notices/EWG.pdf

Yes, the Soviets changed sides after Hitler attacked them. Probably one of the most insane military decisions in world history. However, once the USA entered WWII the defeat of the axis was a forgone conclusion, it having already been fatally weakened by the British and Soviets.


I am afraid my knowledge of the war itself is lacking at best, it was premature of me to talk about the Soviet retaliation. I'm still not convinced as to the allegedly pivotal role of the US invasion.

The Soviets were never on Hitler's side, though. They agreed to stay out of it because, from the perspective of a communist, WWII was initially just imperialists fighting imperialists, and Russia had already endured enough **** from WWI and the Civil War :tongue:
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Original post by whorace
Well reasoned argument but you demonstrate my point very nicely, free speech cannot exist in communism because anyone who disagrees is a reactionary that needs to be exterminated.


There's no possibility for a counter-argument to an onslaught of blatant lies or misrepresentations. Counter-arguments require arguments to begin with.

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