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Business or Medicine?

username81904

If your not impressed by someone who has earned alot of money from starting with nothing then you probably dont have very much ambitions. Considering 9/10 jobs will be aimed at making money. The only possible area you could work in where this wasnt true is the public sector. As much as I respect doctors I would never want to be one, once you get the Dr in front of your name thats basiclly your lifes achievement and do the same job for a good 30 years. You just live of it for the rest of your days with no real prospects of getting any higher in the ladder because your already at the top. Most people who run hospitals are people with administration degrees and the like, very few doctors will ever do anything else with their lives. Maybe some people would argue that there achievements come in the form of curing disease, but even over a 50 year period of being a researcher into medicine still leaves you with a very slim chance of curing a deadly disease. Helping people with their problems is what doctors are respected for there is no point in trying to compare it financially or in level of "hardness" compared to people in business because most of the time the business people will come out on top.

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miki_da_magpie

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cookiejest

If your not impressed by someone who has earned alot of money from starting with nothing then you probably dont have very much ambitions. Considering 9/10 jobs will be aimed at making money. The only possible area you could work in where this wasnt true is the public sector. As much as I respect doctors I would never want to be one, once you get the Dr in front of your name thats basiclly your lifes achievement. You just live of it for the rest of your days with no real prospects of getting any higher in the ladder. Most people who run hospitals are people with administration degrees and the like, very few doctors will ever do anything else with their lives.

Since when do business men/women start with nothing? When did this come into the equation? Let's keep it simple: doctors vs. businessmen/women, not doctor vs. businessmen that starts with nothing. Most doctors btw, study for 5 years before they become a junior doctor, then most specialise, so let's say the total study time is 10 years. That is ten years of studying, and A LOT OF DEBT! So fair enough, doctors star with nothing and end up making quite a bit of money too? But is money all important? I would much rather do something I enjoy everyday and look forward to going to work than earnign crap loads of money without ever being satisfied, I guess that's just me.

"Once you get the Dr in front of your name thats basiclly your lifes achievement. You just live of it for the rest of your days with no real prospects of getting any higher in the ladder." What absolute *******s, you have no clue. The doctor I was shadowing was 40something and she had specialised in 4 different areas of medicine, surgery then endocrine surgery, paedeatrics, and general practise. How can you say that you canna climb any higher? In medicine you can specialise to infinity.

Reply 42

The-Lennon

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miki_da_magpie

I think that shows weak morals and ethics. Being more impressed by money than by people who dedicate themselves to helping others.

Not really. Businessmen helps others all day long, they provide a service, jobs, innovation, and can help shape the entire world. They contribute to the economy and make everyones quality of life generally better. The more they earn, the more tax they pay...... and in effect pay for your beloved hospitals.

Unfortunately money is how success if determined in todays world and it has been that way for the entire span of history.

Reply 43

username81904

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miki_da_magpie

doctors vs. businessmen/women, not doctor vs. businessmen that starts with nothing.

"Once you get the Dr in front of your name thats basiclly your lifes achievement. You just live of it for the rest of your days with no real prospects of getting any higher in the ladder." What absolute *******s, you have no clue. The doctor I was shadowing was 40something and she had specialised in 4 different areas of medicine, surgery then endocrine surgery, paedeatrics, and general practise. How can you say that you canna climb any higher? In medicine you can specialise to infinity.

I dont really consider specialising climing a ladder. Climing a ladder involves getting paid more, controling more and a clear higher position of authority than before. You could do 20 degrees and still not be any better of than doing just 1 apart from you will be able to help more people and still work in the same hospital or whatever. I really do respect doctors for what they do but their aspirations are going to be different so its stupid to compare them.

Without money you wouldnt be able to train and employ doctors anyway so denying its importants does not back your argument.

miki_da_magpie

Unfortunately that's not what you said. You said I think that shows weak morals and ethics. Being more impressed by money than by people who dedicate themselves to helping others.

I no i will probably get loads of neg rep for saying this but consider Bill Gates. His foundation will have saved millions of lives in africa - More than 2 or three hospitals and their employees working lives put together. Does that make him unethical for earning the money in the first place? I know its an extreme example but alot of the mega rich business men do contribute alot towards health charities and stuff so on top of them earning the $$$ in the first place they are also saving lives. Are they still unethical and immoral?

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miki_da_magpie

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The-Lennon

Unfortunately money is how success if determined in todays world and it has been that way for the entire span of history.

Very true, but it doesnt mean its not unethical or amoral to think that money should determines whether one is successful or not...

Reply 45

miki_da_magpie

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cookiejest

I dont really consider specialising climing a ladder. Climing a ladder involves getting paid more, controling more and a clear higher position of authority than before.

As a multiple specialist you will undoubtedly earn more and have a greater position of authority, also the longer you do your job, the more control you are bound to recieve due to your gain in experience... so I do think that specialising is climbing the ladder as such.

cookiejest

I really do respect doctors for what they do but their aspirations are going to be different so its stupid to compare them.

Good, doctors should be respected, as should most businessmen and women, and it is stupid to compare the two I agree. I think it is very rare to find someone who would be looking to go into either medicine or business and cant decide because they are so contrasted in terms of mentality, morals, aspirations, goals, etc, maybe not in cleverness... and I think this is what the OP was trying to determine...

cookiejest

Without money you wouldnt be able to train and employ doctors anyway so denying its importants does not back your argument.

I'm not denying money's or business' importance, I am merely saying that I respect doctors more for what they do for society.

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Elles

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cookiejest

As much as I respect doctors I would never want to be one, once you get the Dr in front of your name thats basiclly your lifes achievement and do the same job for a good 30 years. You just live of it for the rest of your days with no real prospects of getting any higher in the ladder because your already at the top.

If you stay within practising medicine there's a fairly defined hierarchy to climb & change in job role (even if you stay in the same specialty) associated with this:
F1 (=you can stick that "Dr" in front of your name) --> F2 --> ST --> Consultant / GP Principal
Junior doctor = basic salary of £20,741
Salaried GPs = ~ £50,000 to £76,000 & Consultant = basic salary (2003 contract) ~ £70,000 to £94,000

Reply 47

The-Lennon

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Look, there is no point in flogging a dead horse.

It is not immoral to associate money with success, thats how the world works. It is not unethical to earn large amounts of money, neither is it unethical or immoral to admire somebody who does.

It can be argued that powerful businessmen are generally more widely respected than top doctors. Outside the medical community, nobody is bothered about accomplished doctors. Whereas top businessmen are admired the world over by a huge variety of people.

The fact that you put more leverage on being called a doctor probably means you are unsuited to the profession.

Its almost as thick as when people say..... "i don't want to be rich, its immoral". People that say that really know nothing about economics.

Reply 48

miki_da_magpie

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Im not saying that wanting money is amoral, everyone wants money, I'm saying that giving more respectto someone who has more money than someone else, without concern for what they do or the means by which they get it, is amoral, see the difference? To be honest, I couldnt name a single succesfull business man other than Bill Gates.
You're putting words in my mouth when you say "The fact that you put more leverage on being called a doctor probably means you are unsuited to the profession." I never said anything that could draw attention to this. Someone said that business men have more status... I drew attention to the fact that doctors have Dr. in front of their name to show a status.. that is all, I never said that I found it important.

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The-Lennon

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hehe why are people always suspicious of the rich? You do know what they do, they run their own business.

Bill Gates is the only one? Don't be so thick. Most people could run through a list of famous businessmen, but they won't know of any successful doctors by name.

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miki_da_magpie

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The-Lennon

hehe why are people always suspicious of the rich? You do know what they do, they run their own business.

Why shouldnt people be suspicious, its strange to think how there are some people that are earning 500k+ when there are also people who wont earn 5% of that in a year...

The-Lennon

Bill Gates is the only one? Don't be so thick. Most people could run through a list of famous businessmen, but they won't know of any successful doctors by name.

I'm sorry for being thick, but I really canna run through a list of famous business men. Maybe its because I'm not interested in business, and maybe the people that dont know the successful doctors aren't interested in medicine? Just a theory...

Reply 51

The-Lennon

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Its not strange at all. In fact, if you run a company in the UK, then all your accounts are publically available to anyone. So, wouldn't worry about that.

There will always be a hierarchy. Maybe you should be suspicious of the scroungers claiming benefits? Rather than hard working high achievers.

Reply 52

miki_da_magpie

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The-Lennon

Maybe you should be suspicious of the scroungers claiming benefits? Rather than hard working high achievers.

Touche

Reply 53

Psychic

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Psychotik

Which would you chose in terms of money, status & power?

I would chose business. Obviously i don't mean the Business Studies degree. I mean the CAREER. Successful business men studied Maths, Engineering, Physics and the like at University. These subjects are much more academic, conceptual and mathematical than Medicine. Someone who's academically smarter and quicker to learn new things surely has a better status? successful business men earn way more than the most successful doctors so they have more power.

Reply 54

miki_da_magpie

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Psychic

Successful business men studied Maths, Engineering, Physics and the like at University. These subjects are much more academic, conceptual and mathematical than Medicine. Someone who's academically smarter and quicker to learn new things surely has a better status?

Haha, this made me laugh. First of all, are you saying that maths, engineering, and physics are more academic than for example chemistry and biology? or do you mean that they are more mathmatical? To me, mathmatical does not mean more academic, that makes no sense. And btw, medics can study maths and physics as their ticket to get into uni... How can you say that people studying business are smarter than medics? You're deluded.

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username81904

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science, maths, economics/management/engineering, computer science. They are all good breeding grounds for people who do well in business. The thing is its more about getting the degree to become a candidate more than getting a degree to go straight into a job. People say doctors take 5 years minimum to train but people who go the other way are going to do the degree for 3/4 years then do more training courses on top of that to get ahead in their desired field. They all require inteligence and you cant be going far wrong if your doing a respected degree.

Reply 56

The-Lennon

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Psychic

I would chose business. Obviously i don't mean the Business Studies degree. I mean the CAREER. Successful business men studied Maths, Engineering, Physics and the like at University. These subjects are much more academic, conceptual and mathematical than Medicine. Someone who's academically smarter and quicker to learn new things surely has a better status? successful business men earn way more than the most successful doctors so they have more power.

although you're arguing in my favour....... you do make some bull**** comments! Medicine is very academic. But you don't need to be particularly academic to succeed in business.

Reply 57

username81904

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Another aspect of it is you have to be much more of a social creature to succeed in business. Of course you have to be able to communicate when your a doctor but its not as job threatening as it can be in business.

Reply 58

Melissa85

The average doctor earns more than the average business man. Anyone can call themselves a business man - the take away owner, the corner shop owner, a stall owner who works only weekends etc. That's what the majority of most business men are, they are hardly all Alan Sugars.

Many doctors are also business men esp in the US where they run there own private practice. It's only here in the UK where docs are stifled cause of the system.

In the end of the day there are more avg business men and more avg docs than top docs/top business men so to be honest Dr's beat the Mr's I think.

Reply 59

username81904

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There are far more jobs in tertiary quaternary industry in the UK than in secondary/small services industries. When the thread starter said business man I was thinking jobs in quaternary/teritiary industry that require degrees to apply for. Not the average shop keeper down the road.

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