Will the UK become a muslim majority nation?

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How is something that is conceivably possible 'nonsense'?

Feminism isn't incompatible with Islam, feminists appease Islam. Take Harriet Harman, 'It would be rude to interfere with a Labour Party event segregated along gender lines to appeal to Muslim voters.'

While the world's worst atrocities are being committed against women in majority Muslim populations, feminists are ranting about 'manspreading', 'free bleeding' and Matt Taylor's garment. Hundreds of thousands of them.

Bring up Islam and you've suddenly got some tumbleweed.

Because it's not really conceivable, while Islam is the fastest growing religion, irreligiousness is growing faster than it - the majority of converts leave within a couple of years and the birth-rate will thin with time, as it has with every other group; not to mention that those leaving Islam are growing as well.

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SaucissonSecCy

Original post by lazuli

I never claimed to do the maths, I'm saying that factoring in immigration/life expectancy that it would take more than one generation for non-Muslims to die out. Even so, despite people seeming to think the latest generation are increasingly radical, plenty are leaving the religion, or are Muslim by name only.
Four kids is ridiculous - I know one family with 4+ kids, and they're white trash.

Well they are saying 50% muslim by 2050, of course more than one generation for all non muslims to die out. No one was suggesting that much. But estimates as they stand are pretty severe, to those of us who have family going back and a sense of what Britain was. It is literally the transformation of our country into an entirely different place in a few generations. Muslims have huge influence at lower numbers, so 50% and you'd be living in Sharia law, and the rest soon enough. Everyone who lived here would have middle east allegiances and our politics would be governed by this.

Reply 62

JMP1995

Original post by Stiff Little Fingers

The best post on this thread, thus far.

Completely correct.

Reply 63

SaucissonSecCy

Original post by Stiff Little Fingers

Not true. Christianity may be marginally declining in favour of athiesm, although this varies by period of human history, could sway back. I think you are being very naive and making western-centric assumptions regarding birth rates settling with education. Islam is an entirely exceptional case, as it proves on a daily basis. There's no evidence muslims coming here will become well educated or prosperous, and even if they do, there is no evidence they will integrate more, their allegiances will change or their birth rates will fall. the reverse of this has happened down the generations of exisiting muslim immigrants. And what do you mean the majority of converts leave within a few years? This seems unlikely but even if it so it doesn't contribute much to overall demographics.
To say the numbers of those leaving islam are growing, i'd imagine this is in absolute numbers, whilst there are more muslims overall- it's not in percentage terms.

Reply 64

Rakas21

Original post by Stiff Little Fingers

Muslim birth rates will only fall if we stop importing more of them, that's not yet happened. Islam is still growing as a proportion of the population and that's dangerous.

Reply 65

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InshaAllah. :biggrin:

Reply 66

thesabbath

Original post by Stiff Little Fingers

Muslims in England and Wales are practising their faith and passing it on to their children at much higher rates than any other religion, including Christianity, a study co-funded by the Arts and Humanities Research Council (AHRC) shows.

The research, just published on-line by the journal Sociology, says that the proportion of adult Muslims actively practising the faith they were brought up in as children was 77%, compared with 29% of Christians and 65% of other religions.

The study, by academics from Cardiff University, also found that 98% of Muslim children surveyed said they had the religion their parents were brought up in, compared with 62% of Christians and 89% of other religions.

http://www.ahrc.ac.uk/newsevents/news/muslimspassfaithchildrenhigherratethanchristians/

Reply 67

thesabbath

Original post by Stiff Little Fingers

Who reckons that? It's unlikely that the Muslim population will topple ten percent by 2050 - barring one Islamic country or group becoming a massive empire in power, the UK will not be an Islamic majority.

The fabric of the next generation (under fives) is already 10% Muslim and growing (Telegraph)

The age profile of Muslims in general is massively younger than that of the indigenous population:

One is reminded of Enoch Powell's wise words:

The supreme function of statesmanship is to provide against preventable evils. In seeking to do so, it encounters obstacles which are deeply rooted in human nature.
One is that by the very order of things such evils are not demonstrable until they have occurred: at each stage in their onset there is room for doubt and for dispute whether they be real or imaginary. By the same token, they attract little attention in comparison with current troubles, which are both indisputable and pressing: whence the besetting temptation of all politics to concern itself with the immediate present at the expense of the future.
Above all, people are disposed to mistake predicting troubles for causing troubles and even for desiring troubles: "If only," they love to think, "if only people wouldn't talk about it, it probably wouldn't happen."

Reply 68

thesabbath

The first Islamic majority will occur not in the overall population but in the cities. Here are some likely candidates (figures from the 2011 census which for obvious reasons* are likely to be under-estimates):

Blackburn (27.4%)
Bradford (24.7%)
Luton (24.6%)
Slough (23.3%)
Birmingham (21.8%)
Leicester (18.6%)

* illegal immigration, poor/non-existent English skills, lack of deference to British authorities, and a massive growth rate relative to the population at large

Reply 69

TSR432

Scary stuff this

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Reply 70

AnimeTenchou

No, of course not. This will never happen. What gave you this random idea?!

Reply 71

TSR432

Living on the north west for 18 years

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Reply 72

Danny the Geezer

Original post by timi.a

I don't think it's actually primarily through converts that the muslim population is growing, but through migration. With the stricter laws and regulations being imposed, I think the rate at which the religion is growing will actually fall. By that, I don't mean that there will be less people in the Islamic faith, but the religion will grow at a slower rate.

Have you taken potential offspring into account when considering whether it will slow down? As a lot of people (not just Muslims exclusively) are "born into" religion.

Reply 73

TSR432

Overall after 8 pages of discussion, what is the answer

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Reply 74

Ourworld

My people did a deal with the Labour Party because Islam is good for European countries as it helps them to become cosmopolitan world centres and get rid of ancient barbaric monolithic attitudes.

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SJSS

Original post by TheCitizenAct

Sadly true, the way people brains work is scary. Feminists universally ignored the Rotherham and other similar rape gangs because the assailants were deemed part of a group they consider ''oppressed'' and the modern feminist bile is always against straight white men.
Many young peoples attitudes towards islam or any groupt hat its trendy to bend over backwards for and how much preferential treatment they give it and all the cognitive dissonance and mental acrobatics people often go through just to fit in were warned of by George Orwell in Nineteen Eighty-Four. We live in an age where doublethink and newspeak are becoming the norm.