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Hypermobility syndrome

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Original post by SmashConcept
Anyone who isn't an idiot can become knowledgeable about weight lifting if they want to. It's not like it's some sort of closely guarded secret.



Nope but physiotherapists and doctors don't provide adequate advice apparently!

And the amount of BS on the internet you'd think people know better, they don't. You'd be surprised at what people believe when it comes to fitness and nutrition. Even the BS I hear from PubMed and EMG fanboys.
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Original post by JD1lla
Nope but physiotherapists and doctors don't provide adequate advice apparently!

Well in regards to weight lifting GPs probably don't. Physios seem to be increasingly favouring it, but at a slow rate of change.
Original post by JD1lla
The impeccable safety record comes from olympic lifting and powerlifting who have a coach supervising. Does not apply to your average gym goer who turns up every week to whack out some 'squats' on a smith machine.


The study I use (the one referenced in the book Starting Strength 3rd Ed.) distinguishes "weight training" from competitive powerlifting and weightlifting, with weight training being marginally more risky than competitive weightlifting and powerlifting for the reasons you say (but still very safe). I think that the average person who goes to the gym to whack out some squats on the smith machine probably doesn't do it long enough to get injured as they get bored or dissatisfied with the lack of results, or did it once and notice "it doesn't feel right" and don't do it again. And that's what someone with JHS would do too if it hurt. But I just think it's exceptionally unlikely if they do it correctly.

Still does not apply to this case. I fully advocate free-weight lifting for life. Just not in this case. At least not to start off with.


Why does it not apply to this case?


And ha, who is knowledgeable about weightlifting? Personal trainers? Please.


Please don't put words in my mouth.
Reply 23
Original post by Smack
The study I use (the one referenced in the book Starting Strength 3rd Ed.) distinguishes "weight training" from competitive powerlifting and weightlifting, with weight training being marginally more risky than competitive weightlifting and powerlifting for the reasons you say (but still very safe). I think that the average person who goes to the gym to whack out some squats on the smith machine probably doesn't do it long enough to get injured as they get bored or dissatisfied with the lack of results, or did it once and notice "it doesn't feel right" and don't do it again. And that's what someone with JHS would do too if it hurt. But I just think it's exceptionally unlikely if they do it correctly.



Why does it not apply to this case?



Please don't put words in my mouth.


Yes, we've all read starting strength. We all have our favourite YouTube fitness personality, we all have our opinions on what's the right way and what's the wrong way.

All I'm saying to the OP is that they should listen to professional advice provided. If her physio thinks it's appropriate, she'll be prescribed some weightlifting.

Btw, when was the last time you went swimming as a form of exercise? The DOMS is unbelievable.
Coming from the point of view of someone with HMS/HEDS, I really wouldn't recommend that the OP does weight training. Listen to the professionals in charge of your care. The general consensus is that weight training can make things worse, I've heard this from many medical professionals. Honestly, I wouldn't want to chance it. I'd stick to low impact stuff like swimming.
Wow this escalated quickly! :lol:
Original post by Pathway
I wouldn't recommend lifting weights if you're hypermobile, at least not until you're going to physiotherapy and the physio knows what they're doing (alarmingly a lot of them don't :erm: ) and can help you with it - I can dislocate at the drop of a hat if the object I'm holding is too heavy. Being hypermobile your body overcompensates so you're using different muscles when you're engaging in the same activity as someone without hypermobility, this can lead to problems if you're unaware and also lead to injuries (e.g. sprains, dislocations), fatigue and a whole host of other things. Low impact sports/exercises are always best especially if you sublux or dislocate your joints frequently. So that's why it's recommended that you take part in things like pilates. swimming, walking is also good (personal favourite when I'm not bed bound), etc.

I personally didn't get referred to a physio, I got referred to a rheumatologist and they assessed me by using the Beighton score (I got 8/9) and the Brighton criteria. I had both of the major criteria and three minor, he then diagnosed me with hypermobility syndrome (HMS)/hypermobility type, Ehlers-Danlos syndrome (HEDS) (they use both of these in my notes, some don't think they're separate conditions :dontknow: ). I was also told to see Professor Rodney Grahame in UCL as they have a specialist hypermobility unit there.

Not sure what to suggest regarding your clicky joints, I also have this problem, especially in my wrists and ankles. Could theoretically make my own orchestra. :lol: Do you get DSA?


Ah okay then, thank you! Is the Brighton criteria the one where they assess your thumbs, knees, elbows, etc, and see if you can put your hands on the floor? I've had problems with my knees since I was ten and as a child I was so accident prone in PE that I needed training on how to use the PE equipment safely and they thought I was dyspraxic (I'm not).

Original post by Hooby
Btw don't know if it is useful to you but I also have hypermobility (and flat feet) and I have found that I got a lot of support from the DSA and uni.

I also have it in muliple joints, including my wrists and I have extra time in exams and rest breaks. It could definitely be something to think about as writing solidly for a couple of hours can have a big impact.


Okay thank you, I may consider this when I get the official diagnosis. Thankfully my writing hand isn't as bad as the right hand, so I may chat with my tutor when I go back.

Thanks for your advice, everyone!
Original post by ChemicalBond
Wow this escalated quickly! :lol:


Ah okay then, thank you! Is the Brighton criteria the one where they assess your thumbs, knees, elbows, etc, and see if you can put your hands on the floor? I've had problems with my knees since I was ten and as a child I was so accident prone in PE that I needed training on how to use the PE equipment safely and they thought I was dyspraxic (I'm not).
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That's Beighton. Beighton score is used in conjunction with the Brighton criteria. So for me I had 8/9 in the Beighton score (1 of the major criterias) and pain in most of my joints (inc. things like my jaw) (the other major criteria). I dislocate (either partially or fully) my knees, hips, shoulders and fingers on a fairly regular basis (minor criteria number one); most of my joints (particularly in my hands and knees) get inflamed, especially if I've injured them (minor criteria number two); skin related symptoms - highly elastic, translucent, soft (number three). So I have 2 major and 3 minor criteria, which is why I'm diagnosed with it.
I also have a positive family history of HMS/EDS (my dad has it).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypermobility_(joints)#Brighton_criteria

There are also other random things that my rheumatologist took into account, as a child I had a mild pectus evacuatum (so my chest dipped in a little), I bruise pretty easily, takes me forever and a day to heal from seemingly minor things, I was a breech baby due to hypotonia and I walked late for the same reason, anxiety and depression (though these weren't diagnosed at the time, I've only been told later that it's linked), fatigue, memory problems, bad proprioception skills (which is why I walk into everything - poor spatial awareness) and rubbish balance, insomnia, being unable to grasp things very well because I have next to no fine motor control, etc. All of these are interlinked with my HMS/HEDS , so if you have any of these symptoms as well as other issues you should bring them up. I'd also recommend asking for a referral to a rheumatologist.
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