Jeremy Corbyn is unelectable, and a grave threat to Labour.

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I'm sure that'll go down well with Labour party members, vote for a leader only for less than 0.01% of the party to throw a hissy fit and get him kicked out.... democracy at it's finest there.

The problem is that Corbyn will never command the PLP. He has a long record of rebelling against the official line (500 times, I read the other day). If Labour members elect him leader they do so knowing that he has set a precedent of principled rebellion to the official party line, and that the majority of the party's MPs could take that road as they stand against his declared policies. This is obvious to someone of even the meanest intelligence.

The only way out would be to de-select the rebels for the next election and try to gain power with a solidly left wing bunch of candidates (presumably entryist Trots, well-hidden Militant Tendencyists and so on), which would obviously go down like a lead balloon with the electorate, and it would probably spark off a party split, with New Labour taking the lion's share of public's votes for Labour, and leaving the old Labour party with the lefties to wither away.

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moggis

Original post by The one ed

That would be good but my ultimate goal is to see the demise of Labour. I can not and will not forgive the 13 years under Brown/Blair. The hatred for Labour is engrained in my blood, I can not explain how much I hate the party.

Ok, that's interesting.

If the Labour party did disintegrate though,wouldn't something appear in its place that wasn't so different?

I mean how could it be that different? Unless it's mainly the influence of the unions that you object to?

Wouldn't the support of unions still be a factor of a new party?

Reply 62

The one ed

Original post by moggis

I would be far more accepting of a party similar to the ideology of Labour but different and reformed. I have zero trust in Labour and its commitment to the British working class. It has been corrupted by a left wing agenda. You can support the working class and poor without being left wing. I see only one party at least taking a move into working class areas and that is UKIP, like them or not, their policies appeal to people like us.

I am completely opposed to the unions and their integration into politics. That was never their purpose. They are now a protest group, anti business and anti anything Tory. The unions belong in the workplace, not the political institution.

Reply 63

driftawaay

Uh... Tony Benn was a ****ty person... ?

Reply 64

jape

Original post by driftawaay

Uh... Tony Benn was a ****ty person... ?

An egomaniac who wilfully and deliberately damned Labour to 18 years in opposition after undermining the Wilson and Callaghan administrations and stoking class tensions.

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Reply 65

2071067

Original post by Twinpeaks

Ahhhh!! The amount of people whose votes are entirely influenced by self-interest is simply disgusting.

Lmao what do you think this is? Care Bear land? Grow up and live in the real world kid.

Original post by Twinpeaks

You've got family who are landlords, so you are now against a potential leader simply because he proposes to enforce rent regulations, which means landlords can't increase rent to a disproportionately high level.

Exactly why should some government put a cap on our achievements? They should butt out of our business. If you want street sweepers and landlords to earn the same then move to Soviet Russia. Oh wait... it doesn't exist anymore because their economy was based on retarded ideas such as yours.

Original post by Twinpeaks

You think it's a dog eat dog world? Well what the **** are you doing considering labour? That's the Tories motto, to fend for yourself and **** everyone else.

That's how the world works, you make your own way in life. I'm sorry that you and your family are so useless as to need the government to hold your hand and attack more successful people in order to make you not look like as much of a loser.

Original post by Twinpeaks

The amount of people renting have significantly increased because of house prices and difficulties in getting mortgages.

Don't give a ****. More houses need to be built, meddling with a free market will only make things worse. If landlording stops being profitable, there will be less properties available and they will probably become of a lower standard thus exacerbating the problem. What people like you don't seem to realize is that the high earnings is what attracts people to the market, they will leave and do something else if you drive down prices.

Original post by Twinpeaks

And Landlords are simply taking the piss, because they know they can get away with it, because people are desperate.

But like you say, 'not your problem'.

At this point I have realized that I am arguing with a 15 year old wannabe Marxist so I will just stop replying to you now.

Reply 66

jape

You don't need to be a Marxist to feel some degree of empathy and social responsibility.

Reply 67

Swanbow

Original post by The one ed

I'll be honest guys, I voted for Corbyn. I am a UKIP voter but the reason I voted for Jeremy was I want to see the demise of Labour, I have had multiple people I know infiltrate Labour for the very same thing. I want to know I was part of Labour being decimated and there is nothing I wish more than for Labour voters to see their beloved party fall and have a Tory party forced upon them while UKIP picks up the Labour seats. I also wish to see Scotland be punished by having a Tory party in power governing them for their betrayal of the United Kingdom. I am sorry, but jezza can help achieve this or at least push us closer to such a utopia.

Reply 68

Twinpeaks

Original post by Plutonian

Lmao what do you think this is? Care Bear land? Grow up and live in the real world kid.

Exactly why should some government put a cap on our achievements? They should butt out of our business. If you want street sweepers and landlords to earn the same then move to Soviet Russia. Oh wait... it doesn't exist anymore because their economy was based on retarded ideas such as yours.

That's how the world works, you make your own way in life. I'm sorry that you and your family are so useless as to need the government to hold your hand and attack more successful people in order to make you not look like as much of a loser.

Don't give a ****. More houses need to be built, meddling with a free market will only make things worse. If landlording stops being profitable, there will be less properties available and they will probably become of a lower standard thus exacerbating the problem. What retards like you don't seem to realize is that the high earnings is what attracts people to the market, they will leave and do something else if you drive down prices.

At this point I have realized that I am arguing with a 15 year old wannabe Marxist so I will just stop replying to you now.

How the **** is taking advantage of the rental market an 'achievement?'. I'm sorry, but what extra effort is made by your precious family landlords to deserve their increase in prices to exploit tenants?

Maybe you should grow up. Because you sounded like the petty little child here.
One second it's, "Oh I've never heard of this Corbyn before, and haven't the ability to research the guy, anyone fill me in?".

And then sometime later, after mustering the ability to read one article after realising that no one is going to bottle feed you, it's, "oh he wants to enforce regulations to stop the exploitation of tenants who aren't in the postition to buy homes. That's not fair the grown ups in my family are land lords and they'd no longer be able to greedily suck as much out of their tenants as they can!"

But oh yes, the big achievements of land lords should be rewarded by them exponentially increasing their rental prices! How evil are we to want to protect working tenants!

Oh so you're successful are you? You've only just stopped suckling from your mothers tits by the sound of it. You clearly have no idea about the big world, you don't even know what Marxism is, and you liken anyone with socialist values to those in Soviet Russia (and by the looks of it, you still think Soviet Russia exists).

No one is saying that land lords should reduce prices, or stop increasing them at a fair rate, but that they should stop squeezing tenants too tightly. Which is what they are currently doing. Well it's obvious you don't give a **** about the working men and women, you don't need to tell me that. You only care about your family land lords, remember? :smile:

I'd like to see you say all this, if you were just starting out from your own back, having just found work and had no money from family to fall back on.

But don't worry, it appears you still have plenty of years to continue suckling, if you so choose.

Silly little boy.

Reply 69

KimKallstrom

Original post by jape

You don't need to be a Marxist to feel some degree of empathy and social responsibility.

Yeah we seem to have this weird rule here where the extreme left have monopolised the notion of wanting society as a whole to improve so that everybody's lives are better.

The reality is that these people are too dense, arrogant and ignorant to realise that other people have differing views of how to accomplish this aim. They literally think that if you disagree with their extremist views that you obviously just hate poor people. This is how stupid a lot of Corbynites are. It's like they've joined a cult or something. Having said this, a lot of Labourites in general are like this but the Corbyn supporters (most of whom didn't even know who he was 6 months ago) are the pits for it.