Slavery

there's slavery all over the world

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But unlike in many parts of the world,there's no significant abolitionist movement in the Arab world like there was in Europe and America.
Alot of South East Asian workers on the construction industry in the Gulf states are being treated as slaves.It's particularly disgusting the 2022 FIFA world cup was awarded to Qatar for this reason.

Isn't China and east asia a place for modern day slavery? Why don't we ever talk about this? I know there is the demand for cheap products but as the west is a large customer(?) for China's products shouldn't we do something?

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What about the Middle East and North Africa?

All civilisation was built upon slavery—and likely, most of us will live our entire lives as wage slaves.

It's a matter of luck as to where and whom you are born to, for that is primarily the deciding factor to the extent of your fortune.

Built upon slavery sure but it doesn't have to stay this way.

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Corruption will always exist, for gluttony is a part of human nature.

Pessimistic aren't you

Isn't China and east asia a place for modern day slavery? Why don't we ever talk about this? I know there is the demand for cheap products but as the west is a large customer(?) for China's products shouldn't we do something?

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An optimist is simply choosing to ignore the harsh reality. Does it make a pessimist to view the world realistically?

I thought you'd say that. Not necessarily? An optimist could just be interpreting and reacting to the world in their own way even though they know or forget how harsh the world is. If we all left the negativity alone, all of us would be screwed.

China was running big labour camps until fairly recently, full of political prisoners and anyone the government classified as 'criminal' and denied a fair trial. (A fair trial being pretty much unknown in China.) The labour camps were used to produce all kinds of goods by what amounted to slave labour that later found their way into goods for the West, including things like iPads, so it's reasonable to be concerned about this. Also millions of workers in Chinese cities are internal migrants who live in urban areas but are denied local healthcare and access to rights generally. The big companies that serve the western markets are well known for harsh working conditions, long hours and a hire and fire mentality. This is getting worse as the economic growth in China slows.

It's difficult to avoid buying goods that are partly or wholly made in China. We need to make more things in the west again and we need to decide to stop trying to create an equal playing field between their harsh and exploitative working conditions and the situation here. It would probably be better to put big trade barriers up against China and personally I think it should be illegal for the digital companies like Apple and Samsung to make their products there for sale here, given the terrible human rights situation in China.

Well then, it must suck having unrealistically optimistic views on the potential for change in human nature, because it's impossible to achieve.

Come on now. So stubborn. I get it, realistically life sucks so very politician and humanitarian should quit. How would it be impossible if major changes in history has already occurred therefore proving that people can change (even if the core of human nature stays the same). For example, Feminism, gay rights, freedom of speech.

So you're trying to equate social stigmas with ingrained biological human nature?

I think we are getting off track from the topic here.

No need to single out China and East Asia as if we arent slaves in the western world. Thats what our life revolves around. Slavery.

Not really.

I'm saying that slavery will exist for as long as corruption exists; corruption will exist for as long as a desire for power exists, and a desire for power will always exist because, by nature, humans are gluttonous.

And that ties into why capitalism is as successful as it is—but THAT would be getting off-topic. What I've already said is relevant. I think you just don't have a good counter to it.

Yes I admit I'm not smart enough to understand difficult terms or concepts - many confuse me. Are you saying that we cannot minimize corruption by trying to make a positive change, setting a good example and teaching our children to do so as well? We can do our best to ensure as much of the good people to have power. Of course there will always be people who are corrupt and after generations of peace we could be back at square one with all our hard work washed away by death.

I think this mindset is really ingrained in you and it would take a lot, or it can be impossible to change that.

See there—you yourself just admitted that any attempt at trying to minimise corruption or to mitigate the consequences of it would have no guarantee in lasting, and that there is no possibility of corruption ceasing to exist in its entirety. If so, then why try? As the global population grows, the likelihood of even being able to make an impact is near none.

I have no desire to seek a change of mindset. In-fact, it's not a mindset, it's merely rationality. I apologise if the prospect of mankind's imperfections forever remaining is depressing, but life isn't supposed to be fair, nor great.