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Stripping the bark from Corbyn - the easiest campaign in modern political history



Lately, I’ve been thinking about Willie Horton and Michael Dukakis. That’s what Jeremy Corbyn’s rise to prominence will do to a fellow. Horton, you will remember, was the convicted murderer who never returned from a weekend furlough granted to him while Dukakis was governor of Massachusetts, and subsequently kidnapped a couple in Maryland, stabbing the husband and repeatedly raping the wife.

He became the star of George Bush’s 1988 presidential election campaign. Lee Atwater, Bush’s most pugnacious strategist, had vowed to “strip the bark” from Dukakis and promised that “by the time we’re finished they’re going to wonder whether Willie Horton is Dukakis’ running-mate”. The Willie Horton ads were ugly there was, no matter how much Atwater and Roger Ailes denied it, a racial element to them but, by god, they were effective. They gave Bush a message: he wasn’t the other guy. The guy from the most liberal corner of the most liberal state in the Union, the guy who opposed the death penalty, who disapproved of prayer in school and the Pledge of Allegiance, the guy who let a first-degree murderer out of jail, not once, but ten times. The same murderer, Willie Horton, who invaded a suburban home and raped a woman. The Willie Horton who said “Obviously, I am for Dukakis” (it didn’t matter that he didn’t vote just as the other nuances of the issue didn’t matter at all).

By the end of it all it was a bloody business. In the second presidential debate Dukakis was asked if he’d still oppose the death penalty for someone who raped and killed his own wife. He said he would. Game over. Dukakis never understood what hit him.

Of course it was ugly and of course it was merciless and sometimes it was unfair too. But that didn’t matter.

All his bark was stripped.

So the question is, How many Willie Hortons does Jeremy Corbyn have?

An astonishing number. Not just ISIS, not just his support for an inquiry into supposed Jewish influence on government decisions, not just the platforms he’s shared with a remarkable number of unsavoury types. Not just his suggestion Hamas is not a terrorist organisation. Not just his willingness to blame Russia’s invasion of the Ukraine on NATO. Not just his instinctive support for anyone opposed to anything proposed by either the United States or the United Kingdom. Not even just his suggestion, in 2013, that Argentina be permitted a say in the governance of the Falkland Islands. Not just these things, but all or any of them.

Most of these, frankly, should disqualify him from serious office.

And so too should his record on Northern Ireland. A vast amount of guff is now being peddled by Corbyn’s supporters on this. If we are to believe them, Corby’s willingness to talk to Sinn Fein and the IRA in the 1980s just showed how he was ahead of the game. After all, the British government eventually did so too, didn’t it?

This misses the vital point. Corbyn might have wanted ‘peace’ but he wanted it on the IRA’s terms. He wanted Sinn Fein and the IRA to win.

People genuinely interested in peace and cross-community dialogue back then didn’t speak at Troops Out rallies. They didn’t invite convicted IRA bombers to the House of Commons two weeks after the IRA attempted to assassinate the Prime Minister and the rest of her cabinet in Brighton. (A bomb, remember, that killed five people.)

And all this time, you know, Corbyn had a choice. You could believe in a united Ireland (regardless of consent) and that was, well, if not fine then certainly a position you could hold. But if that was what you felt you still had this choice: you could associate yourself with constitutional nationalists like the SDLP or you could pal around with Sinn Fein, the IRA and the republican movement. Corbyn chose the latter and that makes all the difference.

Even now he cannot actually bring himself to condemn IRA atrocities, weaselling out of suggestions he do so by condemning all atrocities. But normal people know that condemning IRA murders does not mean condoning Loyalist murders or, for that matter, the excesses of the RUC and British Army. Corbyn, however, still prefers to sing from the Republican song-sheet.

Some of this other dubious associations might be put down to naivete and, sure, it’s true you cannot always pick who speaks alongside you at a given event. On the other hand, you can control some things. There are some things you can do.

And Jeremy Corbyn chose to support Sinn Fein and, by extension, the IRA at a time when Sinn Fein/IRA had no interest at all in a ceasefire, let alone a lasting peace. That interest would only come when the IRA realised a military victory was impossible. Far from being ahead of the game, Corbyn was, at best, deluded, and at worst, marginally complicit in the murderous actions of a terrorist organisation that targeted his fellow citizens.

That none of this seems to trouble his supporters says all you need to know about the mess Labour finds itself in.

If and perhaps this is unlikely Corbyn makes it to 2020 even the most ludicrous, improbable, Tory could beat him. Running an anti-Corbyn campaign would be the greatest turkey shoot in the history of modern British politics.

The only difficulty would be deciding which of Corbyn’s Willie Hortons it would be most effective to focus upon. Bark-stripping will never be easier.

Choosing Corbyn is worse than a blunder, it’s a crime. One, moreover, that is terrible for this country’s politics. That’s why someone, anyone, even, Christ, Andy Burnham, would be a better choice for Labour. Because however decent Corbyn might be as a chap, there’s something repellent, something entirely indecent about his politics.




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Read that this morning- bloody love the spectator.

Could you imagine the left wing outrage if a Tory leadership contender referes to golden dawn as his friends' or brought a leader of the kkk into the House of Commons?
Original post by Davij038
Read that this morning- bloody love the spectator.

Could you imagine the left wing outrage if a Tory leadership contender referes to golden dawn as his friends' or brought a leader of the kkk into the House of Commons?


The hypocrisy is astounding. I find it difficult to comprehend, until I understand we're dealing with the left here.

Farage & UKIP were called racist every week on QT for opposing mass immigration.

Yet barely a whimper from the left regarding the laundry list of the extremism Corbyn has been involved with.
Original post by Davij038
Read that this morning- bloody love the spectator.

Could you imagine the left wing outrage if a Tory leadership contender referes to golden dawn as his friends' or brought a leader of the kkk into the House of Commons?


Are you really engaging with a poster who in previous threads described those on the left as the 'new Nazis'?
Original post by Bornblue
Are you really engaging with a poster who in previous threads described those on the left as the 'new Nazis'?


I can't be expected to follow every silly remark made by tsr users!
Original post by Davij038
I can't be expected to follow every silly remark made by tsr users!

I'll link it to you later - he accused those in the left , not just extremists- but ALL those on the left of being the 'new Nazis'.

Hes probably been banned a fair few times and keeps coming back.
Original post by Bornblue
I'll link it to you later - he accused those in the left , not just extremists- but ALL those on the left of being the 'new Nazis'.

Hes probably been banned a fair few times and keeps coming back.


A completely fair statement, given the left have a growing Holocaust denial movement, are behind many of the "Jewish conspiracy" theories (Corbyn himself supported the idea of "Jewish influence) are rabidly anti-Israel and that the vast majority of anti-semitism reported in the UK comes from Muslims and their left wing cohorts.

I mean the left have just tried to ban a Jewish performer from a Spanish music festival FFS.

Of course the left are the new fascists.
Original post by Bornblue
I'll link it to you later - he accused those in the left , not just extremists- but ALL those on the left of being the 'new Nazis'.

Hes probably been banned a fair few times and keeps coming back.


Even though it's I don't agree with it I can see the reasoning behind it.

Basically it's something like evil lefties (essentially anyone who thinks minorities and women should have equal rights so virtually everyone) have purposefully brought in mass Non-white immigration to ethnically cleanse the non white population through overpopulation and interbreeding.and this has all been planned by Jews/ illuminati / lizards who have brainwashed the population. This sort of nonsense is endemic in both the far left and far right and another case of horseshoe theory.
Original post by LockheedSpooky
A completely fair statement, given the left have a growing Holocaust denial movement, are behind many of the "Jewish conspiracy" theories (Corbyn himself supported the idea of "Jewish influence) are rabidly anti-Israel and that the vast majority of anti-semitism reported in the UK comes from Muslims and their left wing cohorts.

I mean the left have just tried to ban a Jewish performer from a Spanish music festival FFS.

Of course the left are the new fascists.


Remind me, when did the left wing round up Jews and gas them?
You see I'm struggling to remember. Maybe you can enlighten me.
I seem to remember the far right doing so, not so much the left.
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Original post by Davij038
Even though it's I don't agree with it I can see the reasoning behind it.

Basically it's something like evil lefties (essentially anyone who thinks minorities and women should have equal rights so virtually everyone) have purposefully brought in mass Non-white immigration to ethnically cleanse the non white population through overpopulation and interbreeding.and this has all been planned by Jews/ illuminati / lizards who have brainwashed the population. This sort of nonsense is endemic in both the far left and far right and another case of horseshoe theory.


That's still a long, long way off being 'Nazis'. I'll admit the left sometimes take it too far with 'equality' and political correctness but to compare that in any way shape or form to Nazism or neo-Nazim is disgraceful.

Although I would challenge the horseshoe theory- those on the extreme left despite taking things too far, are doing it for reasons of achieving equality. The far right do it for reasons of believing certain groups of people are better then others and that others need to be wiped out and discriminated against.

Don't get me wrong, those on the far left can be f*****g annoying and irritating, but those on the far right call for genocides.

Also don't confuse left wing social views with left wing economic ones.

To describe those on the left nowadays as Nazis, as this poster has done is an utterly disgusting remark and people should stay well away from giving his views any sort of credence whatsover.

People are going to outrageous lengths to try and smear Corbyn. It's pathetic.
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Original post by Bornblue
Remind me, when did the left wing round up Jews and gas them?
You see I'm struggling to remember. Maybe you can enlighten me.
I seem to remember the far right doing so, not so much the left.

Hitler?
He led the National Socialist party, he wanted a pure social system for German citizens, and railed against capitalism.
Original post by Bornblue
Remind me, when did the left wing round up Jews and gas them?
You see I'm struggling to remember. Maybe you can enlighten me.


Wow, is this the level of debate?

The left don't have to kill 6 million Jews to be described as the new Nazis. It's their ideology. The mantle of anti-semitism has been passed from the far right to the left.

Do you think Jews in the UK worry about skinheads? that threat diminished years ago.

Don't forget that left wing groups have teamed up with Islamists in the past to kill Jews and Israeli nationals.

Of course with the support for Hamas/Hezbollah by the left wing in Europe (Corbyn views them as friends) - both of whom have the genocide of the Jewish people in their charters - it only further illustrates that the left wing are the new fascists.

Even in the way the left wing are incapable of putting up with dissenting views. The way the so-called "anti-fascists" turn up in masks everywhere to cause trouble. The way Nigel Farage was treated in public, being chased out of pubs etc. Has Choudry ever had that from the left? have they ever harassed Islamist extremists? nope.

The left are so odious, even the likes of Bill Maher, Richard Dawkins, Hitchins etc were subjected to bans from campuses and giving talks.

An SNP council banning Israeli books from libraries.


Only a step away from book burning. I wonder who else did that in the past :wink:
Original post by Skip_Snip
Hitler?
He led the National Socialist party, he wanted a pure social system for German citizens, and railed against capitalism.


1.) Calling yourself socialist does not make it so. Are the Democratic republic of North Korea democratic?

2.) Don't conflate economic issues with social ones. Although you could argue his economics may have been left on certain issues - his social views were far, far right.
The Al-Guardian printed a letter by a 'Jewish family' the other day inferring that their fellow Jews were on instructions from Israel to oppose Corbyn.

That's not anti-semitic though. Of course not :rolleyes:

Coming from that left wing rag that a couple of years ago was forced to apologise because their journalists were posting articles with anti-semitic tropes in them.


The left wing = the new fascists.
Original post by LockheedSpooky
The Al-Guardian printed a letter by a 'Jewish family' the other day inferring that their fellow Jews were on instructions from Israel to oppose Corbyn.

That's not anti-semitic though. Of course not :rolleyes:

Coming from that left wing rag that a couple of years ago was forced to apologise because their journalists were posting articles with anti-semitic tropes in them.


The left wing = the new fascists.


You do realise the Jewish Chronicle are urging Jews not to vote for Corbyn.
http://www.thejc.com/comment-and-debate/columnists/142780/corbyns-deplorable-allies
That's not anti-semitic, that's a factual statement.
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Original post by Bornblue
That's still a long, long way off being 'Nazis'. I'll admit the left sometimes take it too far with 'equality' and political correctness but to compare that in any way shape or form to Nazism or neo-Nazim is disgraceful.

Although I would challenge the horseshoe theory- those on the extreme left despite taking things too far, are doing it for reasons of achieving equality. The far right do it for reasons of believing certain groups of people are better then others and that others need to be wiped out and discriminated against.

Don't get me wrong, those on the far left can be f*****g annoying and irritating, but those on the far right call for genocides.


Both sides call for violent action as means becccessary to achieving their ends as their views are both in a minorit

.

People are going to outrageous lengths to try and smear Corbyn. It's pathetic.


And this is where we'll disagree- what do you think about this article: ;yes I know it's the torygraph but read it anyway:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11814394/If-Jeremy-Corbyn-is-Labours-leader-there-may-not-be-a-way-back.html
Pro-Palestinian supporters heckle Matisyahu during performance at Spain festival.Amid a packed audience at the event in Benicassim, near Valencia in eastern Spain, dozens of people whistled in disapproval as Matisyahu took to the stage in the early hours of Sunday, with some waving Palestinian flags and chanting "out, out".

Fascist left wing dogs who had tried to get a JEWISH performer banned from a festival (and succeeded until condemnation poured in from non-left wing sources) - ended up heckling him (because he's Jewish) during his performance chanting "out out out"


Left wing = the new Nazis.
Original post by Bornblue
You do realise the Jewish Chronicle are urging Jews not to vote for Corbyn.
http://www.thejc.com/comment-and-debate/columnists/142780/corbyns-deplorable-allies
That's not anti-semitic, that's a factual statement.


And a plethora of other media have called on Labour supporters not to vote for comrade Jezzbollah Al-Corbyn.

That isn't the point.

The point is the fascist left wing rag - the Al-Guardian got a "Jewish family" to claim that Jews in the UK are under instructions from Israel to undermine Corbyn.

Can you not see what the stinking rag is trying to say? that Jews in the UK are disloyal, and are all somehow connected to the Israeli government.

Open your eyes and see the fascism & anti-semitism from the left.
Original post by Davij038
Both sides call for violent action as means becccessary to achieving their ends as their views are both in a minorit

.

And this is where we'll disagree- what do you think about this article: ;yes I know it's the torygraph but read it anyway:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11814394/If-Jeremy-Corbyn-is-Labours-leader-there-may-not-be-a-way-back.html


Just shameless smears to try and portray him as an anti-semite and a racist.
How about Louise Mensch yesterday? Making up anti-semitic quotes and trying to make out they came from Corbyn and his supporters?
I don't agree there is no way back.

I think he's achieving nothing short of a political miracle right now.
Original post by LockheedSpooky
And a plethora of other media have called on Labour supporters not to vote for comrade Jezzbollah Al-Corbyn.

That isn't the point.

The point is the fascist left wing rag - the Al-Guardian got a "Jewish family" to claim that Jews in the UK are under instructions from Israel to undermine Corbyn.

Can you not see what the stinking rag is trying to say? that Jews in the UK are disloyal, and are all somehow connected to the Israeli government.

Open your eyes and see the fascism & anti-semitism from the left.

Of course that's the point- that's the very point you made. The Guardian have reported other groups urging no votes for Corbyn.
You're being absurd.
The Jewish CHronicle are urging Jews not to vote for Corbyn, just as they urged jews not to vote for Miliband - the Guardian reporting this does not make it anti-semitic.

Apparently reporting a true story makes you an anti-semite.
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