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Scholarships: Why isn't the Access diploma treated as an equivalent the same?

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Reply 20
Original post by PlayerBB
What's the best universities for offering really good scholarships ?

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I'd say Essex. They only ask for 18 Distinctions and 27 Merits to earn the scholarship, which entitles you to £2000 for each year of study at the university.

Most other universities will ask for 30 Distinctions and 15 Merits if they want ABB equivalent, or 45 Distinctions if they want AAA equivalent at A Level.
Original post by PlayerBB
What's the best universities for offering really good scholarships ?

Bristol do an Access to Bristol scheme. IIRC, you have to do a short placement week there and then Firm them, meet the entry criteria (obvs) plus be of suitable economic need. But if you jump through all those hoops ok, it's a bursary of something like £3,500 or even £3,750 per year. I think you'd have to go to Oxbridge to get much better than that (I'm sure someone will correct me!).
Original post by jimmy_looks_2ice
Bristol do an Access to Bristol scheme. IIRC, you have to do a short placement week there and then Firm them, meet the entry criteria (obvs) plus be of suitable economic need. But if you jump through all those hoops ok, it's a bursary of something like £3,500 or even £3,750 per year. I think you'd have to go to Oxbridge to get much better than that (I'm sure someone will correct me!).


Original post by Kaeden
I'd say Essex. They only ask for 18 Distinctions and 27 Merits to earn the scholarship, which entitles you to £2000 for each year of study at the university.

Most other universities will ask for 30 Distinctions and 15 Merits if they want ABB equivalent, or 45 Distinctions if they want AAA equivalent at A Level.


Thank you!! I thing Bradford may also offer good scholarships, 2,500-3,500 euro
Pretty sure Essex don't do the Academic one anymore (for UK students), I was referring to the Essex bursary in my post. Bursaries in general are on the wane. I think Lancaster's is still pretty generous, and iirc 42 Distinctions was equiv to A*A*A.
Reply 24
Original post by jimmy_looks_2ice
Right, so English Literature at Oxbridge, for which Access is accepted, is an non-competitive degree to get on then? Harris Manchester interview something like 25 candidates for 5 places each year, I believe.

Why don't you just accept that you have no idea what Access is all about, stop making ignorant jibes at Access students, and go away and deal with your patent insecurities?


It is a competitive degree, of course, but it just attracts competition from people who are... somewhat unintelligent. They're doing an English Lit degree, after all.

Access diplomas are perfectly acceptable for such competition.
Distinction level trolling fella, good work (tho perhaps not quite up to A level standard).

In all seriousness, however, I think it's fair to say that it probably takes less to achieve a distinction at Access than it does to pass A levels at A*. But of course that doesn't mean that some of the work completed at distinction level isn't of A* standard.

Regarding how unfair it is that Access students get bursaries when they're possibly of lower calibre than their A level counterparts, there are a whole host of mitigating factors you need to take into account, such as any difficulties they may have overcome. And whilst it's true that their admittance may be guided by the principle of 'widening participation' (which implies concessions being made), you also need to consider the extra attention given their applications. Good quality A level students are ten a penny, and being much the same as each other offers are made essentially on grades. Access students who have the potential to succeed are less easy to come by, and their refs and statements count for far more.
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Original post by cacra
It is a competitive degree, of course, but it just attracts competition from people who are... somewhat unintelligent. They're doing an English Lit degree, after all.

Access diplomas are perfectly acceptable for such competition.

:troll:

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Reply 27
I'm not trolling, you can't get onto a hard degree from a good university with a diploma.
Original post by cacra
I'm not trolling, you can't get onto a hard degree from a good university with a diploma.


what are you talking about man, I'm going to the University of Bristol to study Chemistry. I did an access course and achieved 42/45 distinction and a B grade (12 UMS away from an A) for A level chemistry which I had only a month to study 4 exams and was only allowed 1 course work entry as there wasn't time.
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Reply 29
Original post by david.willis90
what are you talking about man, I'm going to the University of Bristol to study Chemistry. I did an access course and achieved 42/45 distinction and a B grade (12 UMS away from an A) for A level chemistry.


Sorry, you can't get into a hard degree at a decent university with decent employment prospects with a diploma.
Original post by cacra
Sorry, you can't get into a hard degree at a decent university with decent employment prospects with a diploma.


Bristol's an exceptional university man that offers great employment prospects where your trolling doesn't, thanks man see you around.
I've just checked Cardiff's website and they clearly say they accept equivalent quals. Have they actually told you they don't offer it? Although I can't find all the details (the T&C page is down), the Business school state theirs is 45 at Distinction.

As for this other clown and his boring-ass arguments: mate, there's actually a serious convo to be had regarding how difficult degree courses are in relation to each other, but you're not the one to start it, so be a good lad and **** off :wink:
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Reply 32
Original post by david.willis90
Bristol's an exceptional university man that offers great employment prospects where your trolling doesn't, thanks man see you around.


Yes, Bristol is. Chemistry isn't.

Again, I am not trolling.
Original post by cacra
Yes, Bristol is. Chemistry isn't.

Again, I am not trolling.


Oh is it not, am I to just sit down and take your word for it? Absolutely not, why the hell would I? With a chemistry degree I can go in to, let's say economics, engineering (if specialised with a masters), food sciences and trust me the list goes on. You're out of your depth son, so sit down.
And your trolling is as bad as Cardiff when compared to a prestigious university such as Bristol.
Again, sit down son...
Reply 34
Original post by david.willis90
Oh is it not, am I to just sit down and take your word for it? Absolutely not, why the hell would I? With a chemistry degree I can go in to, let's say economics, engineering (if specialised with a masters), food sciences and trust me the list goes on. You're out of your depth son, so sit down.
And your trolling is as bad as Cardiff when compared to a prestigious university such as Bristol.
Again, sit down son...

http://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/careers/what-do-graduates-do/what-do-graduates-earn/

Oh look, actual evidence...

Chemistry - £21,187 starting wage in a professional job (which are incredibly hard to come by for Chemistry graduates.)

£300 more than Philosophy. Well done, you must be very proud.


Also, Bristol is 22nd (!) in graduate prospects for Chemistry. Joint with the very reputably Strathclyde. Impressive.
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Original post by cacra
http://www.thecompleteuniversityguide.co.uk/careers/what-do-graduates-do/what-do-graduates-earn/Oh look, actual evidence...Chemistry - £21,187 starting wage in a professional job (which are incredibly hard to come by for Chemistry graduates.)£300 more than Philosophy. Well done, you must be very proud.Also, Bristol is 22nd (!) in graduate prospects for Chemistry. Joint with the very reputably Strathclyde. Impressive.


You obviously don't pay attention kid so I'll spell it out for you...
A chemistry degree doesn't limit a bearer to the chemical industry and someone with an economics degree doesn't fair much better starting at £26,146.
Where as, with an economics degree your choices of 'service' based industry is limited to a particular job.
Oh and Cardiff sits at a healthy 25th for economics.
See you around kid, oh wait I won't because I'm going to a good university.
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Reply 36
Original post by david.willis90
You obviously don't pay attention kid so I'll spell it out for you...
A chemistry degree doesn't limit a bearer to the chemical industry and someone with an economics degree doesn't fair much better starting at £26,146.
Where as, with an economics degree your choices of 'service' based industry is limited to a particular job.
See you around kid, oh wait I won't because I'm going to a good university.


I don't think you understand what the figures are saying (perhaps a result of taking a degree with little practical value?)

I'll try and be very clear, Chemistry graduates are underemployed and underpaid relative to an economics graduate at even mediocre universities like, for example, Plymouth.

Chemical Engineering is a good degree, you are right. But clearly, you are not taking Chemical Engineering. It has high entry requirements and you clearly did not meet them. Getting into a degree with a grade B shows the standard you are at.

I don't mean to cause offence. It is just I have noticed an unhealthy obsession with STEM subjects on this forum. Of course, a subject like Maths or Physics is always going to be well-paid, but a subject like Chemistry, despite being relatively hard, leads only to long-term poverty relative to a subject like economics. I hope you do go on and do a postgrad, because you will certainly need it if you are to ever attract a wage above the median.
He shoots - he scores!

Cracking troll.

Tell me, which one of your parents was it who didn't given you enough attention? I'm guessing your da.
Original post by cacra
I don't think you understand what the figures are saying (perhaps a result of taking a degree with little practical value?)

I'll try and be very clear, Chemistry graduates are underemployed and underpaid relative to an economics graduate at even mediocre universities like, for example, Plymouth.

Chemical Engineering is a good degree, you are right. But clearly, you are not taking Chemical Engineering. It has high entry requirements and you clearly did not meet them. Getting into a degree with a grade B shows the standard you are at.

I don't mean to cause offence. It is just I have noticed an unhealthy obsession with STEM subjects on this forum. Of course, a subject like Maths or Physics is always going to be well-paid, but a subject like Chemistry, despite being relatively hard, leads only to long-term poverty relative to a subject like economics. I hope you do go on and do a postgrad, because you will certainly need it if you are to ever attract a wage above the median.


Kid you're cute, but very boring and your trolling is clearly obvious. I achieved that B (12 off an A) with 4 weeks of study where your B in economics took you two years with 2 chances at your exams... Getting into a degree with a grade B shows the standard you are at. Couldn't have said that better, thank you.
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Reply 39
Original post by david.willis90
Kid you're cute, but very boring and your trolling is clearly obvious. I achieved that B (12 off an A) with 4 weeks of study where your B in economics took you two years with 2 chances at your exams... Getting into a degree with a grade B shows the standard you are at. Couldn't have said that better, thank you.


A*A*B haha, bit better than you...

(But really, I'm not trolling. Your degree sucks and Bristol's Chemistry department also sucks.)

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