1000 patients die monthly in the NHS hospitals - unnecessarily
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Should Jeremy Hunt be sacked immediately?
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1,000 patients a month are dying needlessly in NHS hospitals because of staff blunders, the Health Secretary has warned as he announces sweeping reforms to bring an end to a “cover-up culture” which is risking lives.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/11398206/Hunt-Sweeping-reforms-to-end-NHS-cover-up-culture.html
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“This is the biggest scandal in global healthcare. Why hasn’t the health service adopted the kinds of standards we now take for granted in the airline and nuclear industry?” Jeremy Hunt.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/feb/08/jeremy-hunt-orders-review-of-avoidable-hospital-deaths
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Mr Hunt said there were about 1,000 avoidable deaths in the NHS per month.
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-31226148
Is it okay for 1000 patients to lose their lives on a monthly basis in NHS hospitals due to medical negligence, botched operations, poorly trained local doctors or foreign doctors with dubious qualifications?
Should we just let this matter slide under the carpet and pretend as though everything is fine and well?
(edited 8 years ago)
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No it's not okay for people to lose their lives, but it's the govenments fault. There's just not enough funding! More funding, and growing the NHS insted of cutting it, would both improve our economy in the long term, lower povety, and stop this!
Original post by Amber130500
No it's not okay for people to lose their lives, but it's the govenments fault. There's just not enough funding! More funding, and growing the NHS insted of cutting it, would both improve our economy in the long term, lower povety, and stop this!
I have included a poll. please exercise your vote.
Does it not matter to any of you that 1000 people continue to die in the NHS hospitals?
Original post by Amber130500
No it's not okay for people to lose their lives, but it's the govenments fault. There's just not enough funding! More funding, and growing the NHS insted of cutting it, would both improve our economy in the long term, lower povety, and stop this!
Got any evidence that the nhs has been cut?
Original post by caroline brady
Does it not matter to any of you that 1000 people continue to die in the NHS hospitals?
I'm waiting to be shocked with how many people die in hospices each month.
Original post by caroline bradyIs it right for Jeremy Hunt, a PPE graduate to head the NHS given that he has no medical expertise whatsoever?
Is it okay for 1000 patients to lose their lives on a monthly basis in NHS hospitals due to medical negligence, botched operations, poorly trained local doctors or foreign doctors with dubious qualifications?
Should we just let this matter slide under the carpet and pretend as though everything is fine and well?
1.
1,000 patients a month are dying needlessly in NHS hospitals because of staff blunders, the Health Secretary has warned as he announces sweeping reforms to bring an end to a “cover-up culture” which is risking lives.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/11398206/Hunt-Sweeping-reforms-to-end-NHS-cover-up-culture.html
2.
“This is the biggest scandal in global healthcare. Why hasn’t the health service adopted the kinds of standards we now take for granted in the airline and nuclear industry?” Jeremy Hunt.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/feb/08/jeremy-hunt-orders-review-of-avoidable-hospital-deaths
3.
Mr Hunt said there were about 1,000 avoidable deaths in the NHS per month.
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-31226148
Is it okay for 1000 patients to lose their lives on a monthly basis in NHS hospitals due to medical negligence, botched operations, poorly trained local doctors or foreign doctors with dubious qualifications?
Should we just let this matter slide under the carpet and pretend as though everything is fine and well?
For the record I don't think that is very important. Any competent human being should be able to weigh up evidence from a multitude of sources and through consultation with experts from a logical opinion, even if they don't have personal experience in that field.
I also don't think the NHS needs more money, just that the money it does have could be spent more effectively, mainly by making sure people stay out of hospitals unless it is absolutely necessary for them to be there.
Anyway Hunt is incompetent, should be sacked regardless of this revelation.
Original post by MatureStudent36
I'm waiting to be shocked with how many people die in hospices each month.
Why doesn't anyone take responsibility for such unnecessary deaths in the hospitals? Does nothing shock the British public anymore?
Original post by caroline brady
Why doesn't anyone take responsibility for such unnecessary deaths in the hospitals? Does nothing shock the British public anymore?
Rather, I think the British public aren't determined to be shocked by everything, at least not by alarmist, reactionary nonsense. So there are apparently 1 000 avoidable deaths in NHS hospitals. What do you propose the British public do?
What do you propose the government should do? Penalise hospitals? I doubt you'd like that. Give them more money until they stop killing people? I know that I at least wouldn't like that.
Original post by Amber130500
No it's not okay for people to lose their lives, but it's the govenments fault. There's just not enough funding! More funding, and growing the NHS insted of cutting it, would both improve our economy in the long term, lower povety, and stop this!
This problem is due to a lack of funding, it is due to negligent health care professionals.
I've been treated terribly in NHS hospitals in the past - when Chase Farm A&E was open, if you were to turn up there with an emergency, you'd be confronted with a 6+ hour waiting time sitting in a room with blood and vomit on the floors like some kind of 3rd world emergency aid station.
When I was 7, I choked on a boiled sweet that lodged itself in my windpipe after our car had to brake hard. Despite being a 3 minute drive from the A&E, an ambulance took 20 minutes to arrive, by which time I had fallen unconscious, had the sweet removed by a dentist who'd run across from the practice over the road, and come back round again.
When I was 15, I suffered a sudden hearing loss on one side (which, being a musician, was horrifying to say the least). After months of unsuccessful steroid, anti-viral and auto-immune drugs, I was put in hyperbaric treatment which involved breathing high levels of oxygen in a pressurised environment. My hearing returned in just 4 days, to a state even better than it was before - my hearing sensitivity now extends beyond normal range and volume. Unfortunately, we were told the NHS didn't have the funds to pay for the treatment, and were given a hefty bill which I believe exceeded £6000.
Later, at Lister A&E, I was brought in with a suspected testicular torsion and in the ambulance, the paramedic said they would need to take me up to emergency surgery within 4 hours if I were to be able to have children. Once in the hospital, I was left waiting in excruciating pain for 9 hours, before being seen by a specialist the next morning, and being (f****** luckily!) diagnosed instead with an acute kidney infection that had spread to the groin. No painkillers over the night either because "the person who prescribed pain relief wasn't in". How useful for a hospital emergency department is that.
It seems that when it comes to health, I've been saved by sheer luck more times than the NHS. It's a bittersweet fact - the NHS should be something that we're proud of, and something we can confidently feel that we can rely on, but the reality couldn't be more different. It needs some serious work from both inside the NHS, and with funding, to turn it around.
And yes, now I have a private medical plan. Until the Government and the NHS can stop butting heads like angry children and work together to and find a solution, I sadly have no faith in it, which is a shame.
When I was 7, I choked on a boiled sweet that lodged itself in my windpipe after our car had to brake hard. Despite being a 3 minute drive from the A&E, an ambulance took 20 minutes to arrive, by which time I had fallen unconscious, had the sweet removed by a dentist who'd run across from the practice over the road, and come back round again.
When I was 15, I suffered a sudden hearing loss on one side (which, being a musician, was horrifying to say the least). After months of unsuccessful steroid, anti-viral and auto-immune drugs, I was put in hyperbaric treatment which involved breathing high levels of oxygen in a pressurised environment. My hearing returned in just 4 days, to a state even better than it was before - my hearing sensitivity now extends beyond normal range and volume. Unfortunately, we were told the NHS didn't have the funds to pay for the treatment, and were given a hefty bill which I believe exceeded £6000.
Later, at Lister A&E, I was brought in with a suspected testicular torsion and in the ambulance, the paramedic said they would need to take me up to emergency surgery within 4 hours if I were to be able to have children. Once in the hospital, I was left waiting in excruciating pain for 9 hours, before being seen by a specialist the next morning, and being (f****** luckily!) diagnosed instead with an acute kidney infection that had spread to the groin. No painkillers over the night either because "the person who prescribed pain relief wasn't in". How useful for a hospital emergency department is that.
It seems that when it comes to health, I've been saved by sheer luck more times than the NHS. It's a bittersweet fact - the NHS should be something that we're proud of, and something we can confidently feel that we can rely on, but the reality couldn't be more different. It needs some serious work from both inside the NHS, and with funding, to turn it around.
And yes, now I have a private medical plan. Until the Government and the NHS can stop butting heads like angry children and work together to and find a solution, I sadly have no faith in it, which is a shame.
(edited 8 years ago)
Original post by caroline brady
Why doesn't anyone take responsibility for such unnecessary deaths in the hospitals? Does nothing shock the British public anymore?
It would be nice if the staff who are paid to look after patients took a bit of responsibility.
I'm not shocked that 1000 people die in hospitals a week. Why would I be? Death is a natural event.
All you hear is the negative crap, it makes me tired to be honest. I'm just about to head in and work a shift, but you'll never hear about the guy who had a perforated appendix and was on death's door, having his life saved with expert emergency surgery. Or the 19 year old with a heroin overdose who's stopped breathing and we save him from dying an early death. Or the chappy with bowel cancer who's got an obstruction and needs life saving surgery. You never hear about this stuff. Ever. All you hear are the criticisms from a population raised to think they have a right to demand perfection from a service facing constant threats and budget cuts.
I wonder how many people will change their tune when the NHS does eventually go under. When private insurance companies seek to extract the most £££ out of you while attempting to cut operating costs to maximize profits, you'll see just how much more worse things can be.
I wonder how many people will change their tune when the NHS does eventually go under. When private insurance companies seek to extract the most £££ out of you while attempting to cut operating costs to maximize profits, you'll see just how much more worse things can be.
Original post by Doctor_Einstein
This problem is due to a lack of funding, it is due to negligent health care professionals.
Original post by mojojojo101
Anyway Hunt is incompetent, should be sacked regardless of this revelation.
Why are 1000 people dying unnecessarily on a monthly basis in the hospitals due to medical negligence, poorly trained local doctors, foreign doctors with dubious medical qualifications etc?
If I were to study medicine at uni, would it be wrong to include the current problems in the NHS in my UCAS personal statement?
Original post by Hydeman
Rather, I think the British public aren't determined to be shocked by everything, at least not by alarmist, reactionary nonsense. So there are apparently 1 000 avoidable deaths in NHS hospitals. What do you propose the British public do?
WOW!
Original post by XMaramena
I've been treated terribly in NHS hospitals in the past -
And yes, now I have a private medical plan. Until the Government and the NHS can stop butting heads like angry children and work together to and find a solution, I sadly have no faith in it, which is a shame.
And yes, now I have a private medical plan. Until the Government and the NHS can stop butting heads like angry children and work together to and find a solution, I sadly have no faith in it, which is a shame.
I am truly sorry to hear of your ordeal. What you went through would never have happened in other first world countries with proper health ministries, responsible health ministers and heavy sanctions for doctors who screw up.
Original post by caroline brady
WOW!
I'm sorry, what? I'm asking you a serious question about what it is that you think should be done and you respond with 'WOW!' Don't just ask for people to be outraged - propose a bloody fix to it. That's how debate works. Anybody can get angry and shout at the top of their lungs that everything is the government's fault; very few can actually solve the problems they claim to be outraged about.
(edited 8 years ago)
Original post by caroline bradyIs it right for Jeremy Hunt, a PPE graduate to head the NHS given that he has no medical expertise whatsoever?
Is it okay for 1000 patients to lose their lives on a monthly basis in NHS hospitals due to medical negligence, botched operations, poorly trained local doctors or foreign doctors with dubious qualifications?
Should we just let this matter slide under the carpet and pretend as though everything is fine and well?
1.
1,000 patients a month are dying needlessly in NHS hospitals because of staff blunders, the Health Secretary has warned as he announces sweeping reforms to bring an end to a “cover-up culture” which is risking lives.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/11398206/Hunt-Sweeping-reforms-to-end-NHS-cover-up-culture.html
2.
“This is the biggest scandal in global healthcare. Why hasn’t the health service adopted the kinds of standards we now take for granted in the airline and nuclear industry?” Jeremy Hunt.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/feb/08/jeremy-hunt-orders-review-of-avoidable-hospital-deaths
3.
Mr Hunt said there were about 1,000 avoidable deaths in the NHS per month.
http://www.bbc.com/news/health-31226148
Is it okay for 1000 patients to lose their lives on a monthly basis in NHS hospitals due to medical negligence, botched operations, poorly trained local doctors or foreign doctors with dubious qualifications?
Should we just let this matter slide under the carpet and pretend as though everything is fine and well?
Did you read the articles and quotes, or just the headlines?
Original post by Hippysnake
All you hear is the negative crap, it makes me tired to be honest. I'm just about to head in and work a shift, but you'll never hear about the guy who had a perforated appendix and was on death's door, having his life saved with expert emergency surgery. Or the 19 year old with a heroin overdose who's stopped breathing and we save him from dying an early death. Or the chappy with bowel cancer who's got an obstruction and needs life saving surgery. You never hear about this stuff.
That's because this is doing their job. We don't hear about all the buildings that engineers constructed that don't fall down during earthquakes. We don't hear about all the planes that don't crash during storms.
Original post by caroline brady
Why are 1000 people dying unnecessarily on a monthly basis in the hospitals due to medical negligence, poorly trained local doctors, foreign doctors with dubious medical qualifications etc?
If I were to study medicine at uni, would it be wrong to include the current problems in the NHS in my UCAS personal statement?
If I were to study medicine at uni, would it be wrong to include the current problems in the NHS in my UCAS personal statement?
Don't mention this in a personal statement, it won't do you any favors.
Now much of the negligence occurs not because of a lack of knowledge or invalid qualifications, but because of arrogance and a lack of care to individual patients.
For example, I was working in the hospital, several top doctors refused to wash their hands when the hand washing policy was introduced because they saw themselves as too good to follow the policy. And guess what - they were right.
Because of the artificial barriers to entry into top specialty positions, these specialists are in such high demand these mavericks can do whatever they want, and patients often suffer as a result.
Original post by Doctor_Einstein
That's because this is doing their job. We don't hear about all the buildings that engineers constructed that don't fall down during earthquakes. We don't hear about all the planes that don't crash during storms.
We don't hear when the weather was nice, only when there was a massive storm, who's job is it to control the weather with it being fine being how it is supposed to be?
Original post by Jammy Duel
We don't hear when the weather was nice, only when there was a massive storm, who's job is it to control the weather with it being fine being how it is supposed to be?
What's your point?
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