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Is it socially acceptable to speak your native language in a foreign country?

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Should citizens of the UK speak English?

Should we accept people speaking foreign languages in British society?

What happens when more people come from a particular background, or culture, and continue to speak in their own native tongue, within their own communities? Is this good for social cohesion? Is it 'multicultural' or divisive?

Should people in the UK speak English? Or should we all speak Spanish, Arabic, Polish, Dutch, German, or whatever the cultural Marxists have deemed should be the language which displaces the majority dialect.

Would it be fair if millions of British people suddenly decided to move to France, live in a specific community in France, speak English and demand that everyone around them accept it?

We can already see this in the US (the Democrats - the party which opposed the abolition of slavery and gave rise to the KKK - are attempting to displace the existing population with migrant communities largely to shore up their own vote counts), and we can even in Scotland and Wales, where nationalism is attempting to displace the common language with regional variations (i.e., Gaelic).

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Funny that English people moan about this when most tourists make no attempt to speak the language of the country they're visiting...

If they're speaking between themselves in their own groups, what's the problem? Everyone should at least try to speak the native language when conversing with locals. Also, gaelic isn't exactly replacing the local language in scotland when it was the bloody local language for ages (welsh isn't gaelic - it's not even from the same branch)
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I think I'll answer this based on my own personal experience of living in another country...

I lived in the Netherlands for a couple of years, I went to school there, and my mother and sister went to classes to learn to speak Dutch. I think anyone who moves to another country should learn the language, without a doubt. Of course we did try to find other British people too because it's just a comfort when you move to another country and it's nice to share your experiences and hassles (i.e. one family member of mine found it hard to get a job because even though she took classes, Dutch wasn't her first language).

Then again, when we were in public and with each other we did speak English. It's just a comfort when it's what you've spoken for so long, so I can understand the people who do speak their own language in public when amongst each other.

So, overall...I don't think it's unacceptable for people to be speaking foreign languages in Britain so long as they also have a good level of English communication. Of course, I don't understand people from other backgrounds and cultures move to Britain and don't make much of an effort to learn the language, after all, it's vital.
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I've always shied from doing so, and I'm a foreigner.

Sad to say, that the quality of my English is much better than that of my native language :frown:
They should be able to speak both.
Uh... yeah it's fine for people to spea whatever language they want.

The only case where this is rude is when - and this happened to me in uni halls - you walk into the kitchen and there's your flatmate and her friend and they are both speaking Chinese when it's the three of you in the kitchen. Its not OK to speak a foreign language if there is someone else with you who doesnt speak that language because you are excluding them. Its just bad manners. So it was ok for them to speak Chinese amongs them when they were alone but when I walk into the kitchen and they are excluding me, thats rude and annoying. All three of us are in England all three of us can speak English so yeah. I would never do that.
Original post by Stiff Little Fingers
Funny that English people moan about this when most tourists make no attempt to speak the language of the country they're visiting...

If they're speaking between themselves in their own groups, what's the problem? Everyone should at least try to speak the native language when conversing with locals. Also, gaelic isn't exactly replacing the local language in scotland when it was the bloody local language for ages (welsh isn't gaelic - it's not even from the same branch)


1. I'm not English.
2. I live in the UK, I didn't choose to leave the UK.
3. If I chose to live elsewhere, I'd speak the native tongue.

In a community of Polish people, or Bangladeshi people, or Romanian people, what is the local language? What is local? Areas of the UK are pre-dominated by Bangladeshi people.

What if cultures congregate together, socialise within and marry within, all refusing to adopt the native tongue, while more from their culture arrive and refuse to adapt to the host culture or adopt the native dialect?

1 year it's 5% of the population, 25 years later it's 10% of the population, 100 years later it's 40% of the population. Soon enough, the majority is the minority - in any given area of the UK - and the local language is the language of the new majority.
Original post by TheCitizenAct
Should we accept people speaking foreign languages in British society?

What happens when more people come from a particular background, or culture, and continue to speak in their own native tongue, within their own communities? Is this good for social cohesion? Is it 'multicultural' or divisive?

Should people in the UK speak English? Or should we all speak Spanish, Arabic, Polish, Dutch, German, or whatever the cultural Marxists have deemed should be the language which displaces the majority dialect.

Would it be fair if millions of British people suddenly decided to move to France, live in a specific community in France, speak English and demand that everyone around them accept it?

We can already see this in the US (the Democrats - the party which opposed the abolition of slavery and gave rise to the KKK - are attempting to displace the existing population with migrant communities largely to shore up their own vote counts), and we can even in Scotland and Wales, where nationalism is attempting to displace the common language with regional variations (i.e., Gaelic).


It depends, if someone is visiting another country it is perfectly understandable that they would speak their native language, however they should at least attempt to speak the language of the country they are in, not just to seem polite and not ignorant, but also to experience the foreign culture in greater depth. Same goes for food as well! Don't visit a foreign country and only eat the food you have at home! That's such a waste of the wonderful opportunity you have to sample another culture!

However if someone migrates to another country they really should learn and speak the local language most of the time, unless at home with family of course! I think it is really ignorant and divisive to live in another country and not integrate into their society. In my opinion if you move to a foreign country you should respect their culture, speak their language, follow their laws and dress appropriately as well, no matter whether you agree with it or not. Frankly if you don't like the culture of the country you migrated to and are not willing to integrate then you should leave, not try and impose your culture and views on them. By all means introduce them to your culture and language, but that doesn't mean you should reject it and continue to live like you do at home in an isolated expat community.

If I moved to Dubai for instance I would attempt to learn their language, eat their food, wear local attire and respect their values. Likewise if someone from Dubai moved to Britain I would expect them to integrate as well by speaking English, dressing like a westerner and eating western food as well as respecting our laws and customs. I think doing anything other than that is just ignorant.
Original post by driftawaay
Uh... yeah it's fine for people to spea whatever language they want.

The only case where this is rude is when - and this happened to me in uni halls - you walk into the kitchen and there's your flatmate and her friend and they are both speaking Chinese when it's the three of you in the kitchen. Its not OK to speak a foreign language if there is someone else with you who doesnt speak that language because you are excluding them. Its just bad manners. So it was ok for them to speak Chinese amongs them when they were alone but when I walk into the kitchen and they are excluding me, thats rude and annoying. All three of us are in England all three of us can speak English so yeah. I would never do that.


Why is it unacceptable to speak another language other than English in your presence? Multiculturalism dictates that all cultures are equally valid, and capable of living side-by-side. Value systems may conflict, but 'tolerance and diversity' dictates that it's their culture, it's their background, it's their decision.

What if the demographics of the UK were to become 51% people of Chinese descent.

Is the definition of what constitutes the 'native tongue' a game of numerics?
Original post by TheCitizenAct
1. I'm not English.
2. I live in the UK, I didn't choose to leave the UK.
3. If I chose to live elsewhere, I'd speak the native tongue.

In a community of Polish people, or Bangladeshi people, or Romanian people, what is the local language? What is local? Areas of the UK are pre-dominated by Bangladeshi people.

What if cultures congregate together, socialise within and marry within, all refusing to adopt the native tongue, while more from their culture arrive and refuse to adapt to the host culture or adopt the native dialect?

1 year it's 5% of the population, 25 years later it's 10% of the population, 100 years later it's 40% of the population. Soon enough, the majority is the minority - in any given area of the UK - and the local language is the language of the new majority.


So basically you're scared that one person not speaking English will mean that suddenly the entire population of a country will take over? That's absolutely absurd and has absolutely no basis for believing beyond quasi-racist scaremongering.


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Original post by TheCitizenAct
Why is it unacceptable to speak another language other than English in your presence? Multiculturalism dictates that all cultures are equally valid, and capable of living side-by-side. Value systems may conflict, but 'tolerance and diversity' dictates that it's their culture, it's their background, it's their decision.

What if the demographics of the UK were to become 51% people of Chinese descent.

Is the definition of what constitutes the 'native tongue' a game of numerics?


That is not what I said. Think about it a little harder. :fyi:

PS: English isn't my native language and I am not British. Also, take your meds.
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Original post by TheCitizenAct

Would it be fair if millions of British people suddenly decided to move to France, live in a specific community in France, speak English and demand that everyone around them accept it?


Some villages in Southwestern France only speak English now...
Original post by Stiff Little Fingers
So basically you're scared that one person not speaking English will mean that suddenly the entire population of a country will take over? That's absolutely absurd and has absolutely no basis for believing beyond quasi-racist scaremongering.


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It's not absurd at all. We import 320,000 people per year. One day, some day, resident British people will be a minority. That's just a statistical fact.

That didn't take very long. We'll import millions of migrants, we'll politicise the issue beyond all recognition, but to talk about it is 'racist.'

There's nothing quite like exploiting racism to score political points and make others conform with your politically correct group think, eh? And progressives wonder why they receive such short shrift from people, when the very issue they politicise is apparently so sacrosanct it's beyond the confines of debate or even conversation without the presence of a false accusation of racism.

I mean, it's totally not damaging either - it's not like flinging false accusations of racism around have caused any negative cultural or social consequences of the grooming gang variety, right?
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Original post by driftawaay
That is not what I said. Think about it a little harder. :fyi:

PS: English isn't my native language and I am not British. Also, take your meds.


Why, much like the previous poster, are you attacking me rather than the points I'm making? Why can't just debate on point without resorting to insulting people?

The issue is a politicised one. It was politicised by New Labour. I'm talking about the politics of it. What's the problem?

If the population of the UK was to, someday, become 51% Chinese ancestry/migration, would it be rude to speak English in the presence of the majority population?
Original post by TheCitizenAct
Why, much like the previous poster, are you attacking me rather than the points I'm making? Why can't just debate on point without resorting to insulting people?

The issue is a politicised one. It was politicised by New Labour. I'm talking about the politics of it. What's the problem?

If the population of the UK was to, someday, become 51% Chinese ancestry/migration, would it be rude to speak English in the presence of the majority population?


I'm going to attack you some more. I only just now actually looked at the poll and you need to grow up and realize that the world is not black and white and your two poll options are not mutually exclusive events. British citizens can and do speak English, you have to speak good English to be able to get British citizenship and most people use English at their workplace as well. That doesn't mean they can't teach their children their own native language so that they grow up bilingual. British citizens do speak English and should be allowed to retain and speak their own language as well. So your poll makes no sense. It's not a this or that situation.

If the UK became 50% Chinese by ancestry one day.... those people would be British Chinese who grew up in this country and can speak English and a portion of them could also speak their immigrant parents' native language if they were brought up bilingual, so just because the UK is 51% made up of people of Chinese ancestry doesn't mean that English wouldn't be their first language. Therefore that doesn't make much sense either.

Awkward.
People who live in a country should have sufficient functional command of the native language to get through day-to-day existence without needing an interpreter to access public services.

I couldn't care less what people do the rest of the time. Language enclaves are very bad for 'cohesion' but I feel better about language enclaves than I do about language policing.
Original post by PurpleHills
They should be able to speak both.


What happens when they interact with you? Should they speak Polish, German, Mandarin, Arabic or English?

What if they don't know English? Is that acceptable? Surely if they live in their own communities within the UK yet separated from British society, it's acceptable to speak in their native dialect without learning English? Why learn English when you don't come across people who speak English (in England)?
Original post by TheCitizenAct
It's not absurd at all. We import 320,000 people per year. One day, some day, resident British people will be a minority. That's just a statistical fact.

That didn't take very long. We'll import millions of migrants, we'll politicise the issue beyond all recognition, but to talk about it is 'racist.'

There's nothing quite like exploiting racism to score political points and make others conform with your politically correct group think, eh? And progressives wonder why they receive such short shrift from people, when the very issue they politicise is apparently so sacrosanct it's beyond the confines of debate or even conversation without the presence of a false accusation of racism.

I mean, it's totally not damaging either - it's not like flinging false accusations of racism around have caused any negative cultural or social consequences of the grooming gang variety, right?


It is absurd because that's 0.5 percent of the population, it's a tiny, tiny section and is more than doubled by the birth rate - this idea of migrants becoming the majority is ridiculous - it will not happen, certainly not in our lifetimes, or our children's lifetimes or our grand children's lifetimes. It's not a statistical fact unless we're pretending that all british people are infertile nowadays?

I said it was quasi-racist scaremongering because it's basically suggesting that the foreigners are taking over and leading people to being scared because it's the foreigners. It's not an attack on you like you claim, it's simply stating how ridiculous your opinion is.


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Original post by russellsteapot
People who live in a country should have sufficient functional command of the native language to get through day-to-day existence without needing an interpreter to access public services.

I couldn't care less what people do the rest of the time. Language enclaves are very bad for 'cohesion' but I feel better about language enclaves than I do about language policing.


How do you tackle 'language enclaves' without 'language policing'?
Original post by TheCitizenAct
What happens when they interact with you? Should they speak Polish, German, Mandarin, Arabic or English?

What if they don't know English? Is that acceptable? Surely if they live in their own communities within the UK yet separated from British society, it's acceptable to speak in their native dialect without learning English? Why learn English when you don't come across people who speak English (in England)?


Doesn't happen. We don't live in your fantasy world, sorry.

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