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Is it bad to hate Job seeker Allowance Claimants?

As above, Is it bad to hate these claimants who are simply too lazy to gain work and instead scrounge off the hard working tax payers.

There is many vacancies for low skilled jobs such as security guards,shelve stackers,cleaners so there is no excuse for not working.

It's a disgrace that this country pays you to be a lazy scrounger in this country and David Cameron/Iain Duncan Smith must do something to stop this.

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Do you realize that the majority of the people who claim are between jobs, and only claim for a short period of time? You're acting like everyone who claims is simply too lazy to work, and instead sits at home masturbating to porn and eating cheetos all day long.
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Original post by Mark8346
Do you realize that the majority of the people who claim are between jobs, and only claim for a short period of time? You're acting like everyone who claims is simply too lazy to work, and instead sits at home masturbating to porn and eating cheetos all day long.


If that's the case then why do I see the same scroungers going into the JCP next door to my work?
Original post by mrteddy
If that's the case then why do I see the same scroungers going into the JCP next door to my work?


So because you look outside the window at work, and you see people going into the job centre, that means that the majority of people who go to the job centre are not trying to find work?

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
It is bad to hate somebody for their situation
Original post by mrteddy
As above, Is it bad to hate these claimants who are simply too lazy to gain work and instead scrounge off the hard working tax payers.

There is many vacancies for low skilled jobs such as security guards,shelve stackers,cleaners so there is no excuse for not working.

It's a disgrace that this country pays you to be a lazy scrounger in this country and David Cameron/Iain Duncan Smith must do something to stop this.


You think it's easy to get those jobs? If you take a look at Reed you will find there are about 60+ applications for low skilled jobs.
I hate to see it being abused, not all of the claimants. There are people who need it temporarily until they get back onto their feet with a job. Sadly, a number of people abuse this and mis-spend the money that is paid to them by taxpayers. I'd happily help someone get back onto their feet to get back in work but I wouldn't be happy seeing my money go to scroungers who are just going to blow it on narcotics and entertainment
Who exactly are you to judge? You have no idea why they are not working. They could be disabled, be a carer or just unable to find a job. There isn't that many "low skill" jobs and with more and more people getting a levels ect the competition for those jobs are getting more and more fierce. Someone could have a degree and not be able to get a job because they are over qualified ect.


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Original post by Mark8346
So because you look outside the window at work, and you see people going into the job centre, that means that the majority of people who go to the job centre are not trying to find work?

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

As I have stated already. There is a ton of jobs available from security guards to McDonalds. The local KFC'S in my area are struggling to stay open simply because they can't get enough staff.
Original post by mrteddy
As above, Is it bad to hate these claimants who are simply too lazy to gain work and instead scrounge off the hard working tax payers.

There is many vacancies for low skilled jobs such as security guards,shelve stackers,cleaners so there is no excuse for not working.

It's a disgrace that this country pays you to be a lazy scrounger in this country and David Cameron/Iain Duncan Smith must do something to stop this.


The overwhelming majority of JSA claimants are genuinely trying to find work and are in work within sixth months of claiming. You should probably stop reading the Daily Mail (or your tabloid of choice) if you have difficulty discerning fact from scare-stories.
Original post by KelseyElizabeth
Who exactly are you to judge? You have no idea why they are not working. They could be disabled, be a carer or just unable to find a job. There isn't that many "low skill" jobs and with more and more people getting a levels ect the competition for those jobs are getting more and more fierce. Someone could have a degree and not be able to get a job because they are over qualified ect.


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That makes no sense, how can you be over qualified to do a job? :/
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Original post by KelseyElizabeth
Who exactly are you to judge? You have no idea why they are not working. They could be disabled, be a carer or just unable to find a job. There isn't that many "low skill" jobs and with more and more people getting a levels ect the competition for those jobs are getting more and more fierce. Someone could have a degree and not be able to get a job because they are over qualified ect.


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If they were disabled then they would be claiming disability benefits. Carers also get carers allowance.Security companies will hire anyone with the license and the job centre can pay for that so there is absolutely no excuse to claim job seekers allowance.
Yes, it is. You don't know what their personal situation is like so to judge them solely based on claiming some sort of benefit and assume you know what they are like as a person is absurd.
I suppose if you know someone that doesn't want to work,and is an obvious scrounge then I guess so, but most are not, be more worried about the child subsidies and people basically being paid to have children than people seeking work.
Original post by Straight Morocco
That makes no sense, how can you be over qualified to do a job? :/


Easily. If they want you to do low skill work such as cleaning they will note hire someone who has a degree.


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Original post by mrteddy
As above, Is it bad to hate these claimants who are simply too lazy to gain work and instead scrounge off the hard working tax payers.

There is many vacancies for low skilled jobs such as security guards,shelve stackers,cleaners so there is no excuse for not working.

It's a disgrace that this country pays you to be a lazy scrounger in this country and David Cameron/Iain Duncan Smith must do something to stop this.


No, what's a disgrace is the fact that people like you believe everything you read in the Daily Mail and believe that the morons on programmes like 'Benefits Street' are representative of all benefit claimants. It really does not take a genius to recognise not all claimants are lazy scroungers and that more people unemployed than jobs available means that not everyone can be in a job. It's not even about having compassion, it's simply about having some common sense and realising not everything you hear in the media about benefits claimants is true.

So yes, it is bad to hate people for their situation when you have no idea why exactly they're on JSA, who knows, you may very well find yourself on JSA one day :rolleyes:
Original post by mrteddy
As above, Is it bad to hate these claimants who are simply too lazy to gain work and instead scrounge off the hard working tax payers.

There is many vacancies for low skilled jobs such as security guards,shelve stackers,cleaners so there is no excuse for not working.

It's a disgrace that this country pays you to be a lazy scrounger in this country and David Cameron/Iain Duncan Smith must do something to stop this.


The UK has followed a policy where unemployment has, to a certain extent, been seen as necessary to prevent inflation (cost-push). That is widely accepted and indeed conventional economic practice, especially after the difficult 70's-late 80's in the UK.

There are different types of unemployed;
1) Frictional-moving between jobs.
2) Lazy gits-the types you see.
3) Structural unemployment-the kind you get when industries die out (coal, manufacturing in the UK, etc).

hating people who are 1) or 3) is bad. Unemployment is not something which is a personal choice for many.



Original post by mrteddy
If that's the case then why do I see the same scroungers going into the JCP next door to my work?


Some people are scroungers, yes. Not all though.

My test is this;

What have you done in the last
1) Week?
2) Month?
3) Over your life as a whole?

To increase your career prospects? If you can answer the above adequately then I won't hate you. An example for an unemployed person could be;

1) I have handed out my CV looking to gain voluntary experience and applied for jobs.

2) I have been completing an apprenticeship/some kind of educational qualification.

3) I have gone to school, didn't piss away the free education and got reasonable GCSE'd/ A levels.

So before you hate people at least understand their situation. Yesterday I saw a thread on here about a person who was literally applying for minimum wage jobs like a cleaner at night and getting rejected. You know, my local supermarket was offering about 4 vacancies. The number of applicants? Several hundred. Tough times. Some are lazy, definately, some are unlucky. Find out which before you hate people in my view:smile:
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My employers also held a job fair to hire 50 new people for 2 new branches in the area and only benefit claimants were invited We were paying at least 8.50 per hour with flexible hours and only 12 came.
It is ignorant, irrational and disproportionate. The welfare state accounts for a measly 3% of government spending, while benefit fraud costs the UK economy £1.2 billion each year (a small fraction of that 3%). That might sound like a big number to a small mind like you but it is feck all compared to corporate tax avoidance which costs the UK economy an estimated £19.1 each year. If you hate JSA claimants then that suggests your mind has been warped by tabloid newspaper propaganda which shifts the blame away from the widening gap between the rich and the poor, to the increase of immigrants and people on benefits for all your problems and you have fallen for it. That to me suggests you are easy-to-manipulate, under-educated and probably unintelligent. You have been maliciously engineered by the mainstream media into hating your fellow person as opposed to hating wide-scale corporate tax avoidance which is causing considerably more damage to society. It's because of apathetic people like you that a goverment that will do nothing to tackle this has recently been elected, which means your circumstances won't improve either. Good job.
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Original post by mrteddy
If they were disabled then they would be claiming disability benefits. Carers also get carers allowance.Security companies will hire anyone with the license and the job centre can pay for that so there is absolutely no excuse to claim job seekers allowance.


I'm disabled, but not incapable of work. But neither can I do just any job. What this meant was I was extremely limited in what I was able to apply for, but claiming JSA for over a year, because the jobs I could do just did not exist. Fairly certainly that's not an uncommon situation.
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