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Universities: Lectures on sexual conduct

All universities should establish compulsory sexual consent workshops to teach students that "no means no", it has been suggested.

Workshops are already in place at a number of universities - where they can be taught respect for women.

Cases that have come to light recently include a company which sent new students a "shaglist", where they could record details of their sexual conquests while at university.

Sajid Javid, the Business Secretary, has asked Universities UK to set up a task force to tackle the problem - ordering it to come up with a code of practice within the next 12 months.

Nine universities - Oxford, King's College London, LSE, Warwick, Leeds, Queen May's London, Sussex, Bradford and Cardiff - have already joined with the NUS to launch a project to stamp out harassment and sexual violence


Thoughts on this? :smile:

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Reply 1
You can't teach people not to rape people. Drunk people aren't going to be like 'oh no I better not take home this half naked drunk girl trying to feel me up incase she says I raped her'
Original post by Liz94
You can't teach people not to rape people. Drunk people aren't going to be like 'oh no I better not take home this half naked drunk girl trying to feel me up incase she says I raped her'


I beg to differ.

One of the problems we have is that a lot of young men aren't actually all that clear on what is and is not acceptable behaviour. If we spend a little bit of time making sure they understand, then a significant proportion of them may start to think a little bit more carefully before groping the girl in the club/making sexually aggressive remarks to girls on facebook/sticking their dick up that girl who is so drunk she is basically unconscious.
Reply 3
Original post by cole-slaw
I beg to differ.

One of the problems we have is that a lot of young men aren't actually all that clear on what is and is not acceptable behaviour. If we spend a little bit of time making sure they understand, then a significant proportion of them may start to think a little bit more carefully before groping the girl in the club/making sexually aggressive remarks to girls on facebook/sticking their dick up that girl who is so drunk she is basically unconscious.


Yeah I guess! i was looking at it in an objective "don't rape people" way. But other things where lines are blurred could be useful I guess!
I'm at Cambridge and they did consent workshops in a large number of colleges in freshers last year, and they're happening again this year. I think it's a great idea - it's not something ever discussed in school sex ed or similar, and for a lot of people they're not clear on it at all. I mean, did anyone see that 'sex in class' programme on C4, and the attitudes of both boys and girls towards sex? It was really quite concerning. All in all, I can't see it doing any harm.
Reply 5
Original post by Paralove
I'm at Cambridge and they did consent workshops in a large number of colleges in freshers last year, and they're happening again this year. I think it's a great idea - it's not something ever discussed in school sex ed or similar, and for a lot of people they're not clear on it at all. I mean, did anyone see that 'sex in class' programme on C4, and the attitudes of both boys and girls towards sex? It was really quite concerning. All in all, I can't see it doing any harm.


Nice! I'm happy to hear that Cambridge has been involved with these workshops too :smile: I guess you learnt quite a bit from the workshops if you went to any last year? :smile:
Original post by Lovinlife2
Nice! I'm happy to hear that Cambridge has been involved with these workshops too :smile: I guess you learnt quite a bit from the workshops if you went to any last year? :smile:


It wasn't so much learning anything as making yourself clearer/more aware of things - like you kinda knew that but needed clarification. It was discuss what constitutes consent, and that it is not necessarily verbal, and where there is the line/ trusting judgment. The whole subject itself is not as clear cut as yes and no but I still think it ought to be talked about, and certainly far before university.
Reply 7
They should also teach people not to kill, steal, fraud tax, etc. I'm sure it will work.
Imagine being ordered to do something, whether or not you're a rapist or not.

Why don't they have these as optional classes, or for actual convicted rapists.
Original post by Josb
They should also teach people not to kill, steal, fraud tax, etc. I'm sure it will work.


but... patriarchy... men
Original post by cole-slaw
I beg to differ.

One of the problems we have is that a lot of young men aren't actually all that clear on what is and is not acceptable behaviour. If we spend a little bit of time making sure they understand, then a significant proportion of them may start to think a little bit more carefully before groping the girl in the club/making sexually aggressive remarks to girls on facebook/sticking their dick up that girl who is so drunk she is basically unconscious.


So you're sexist and you want to punish a whole group for the actions of a minority?
Original post by Docjones1
So you're sexist and you want to punish a whole group for the actions of a minority?


Who is being punished exactly?

Is this really any more of a punishment than the compulsory fire awareness talk that I had to attend when I first moved into halls?
Original post by cole-slaw
Who is being punished exactly?

Is this really any more of a punishment than the compulsory fire awareness talk that I had to attend when I first moved into halls?


Everyone and yes
Original post by Docjones1
Everyone and yes


Can you explain how "everyone" is being punished?
Original post by Josb
They should also teach people not to kill, steal, fraud tax, etc. I'm sure it will work.


Well yes... they should teach people those things if they are in doubt as to what counts as theft or fraud exactly... I'm not sure what your point is.
Original post by richpanda
Imagine being ordered to do something, whether or not you're a rapist or not.

Why don't they have these as optional classes, or for actual convicted rapists.


because they're there to help you, to make sure you don't get yourself into trouble.


You underestimate the amount of confusion there is about what exactly constitutes rape.
institutionalised misandrist bullcrap that portrays men as either stupid or violent as a default; "if we don't teach them to not rape, then they'll rape people" - either they're too stupid to know about how rape is wrong, or they already know it's wrong and they're just violent and ignore the message.

and just how the **** is a "shag list" sexist?!
Original post by cole-slaw
Can you explain how "everyone" is being punished?


"All universities should establish compulsory sexual consent workshops to teach students that "no means no", it has been suggested."

Most people who go to these (95%+) has to waste hours of their lives at this bull****

Original post by cole-slaw
Well yes... they should teach people those things if they are in doubt as to what counts as theft or fraud exactly... I'm not sure what your point is.


Do you think university students are stupid enough to not know that killing, stealing and fraud is wrong? Then why would they not know the same about sexual assault?
Original post by cole-slaw
because they're there to help you, to make sure you don't get yourself into trouble.


You underestimate the amount of confusion there is about what exactly constitutes rape.


Here:

"The crime, typically committed by a man, of forcing another person to have sexual intercourse with the offender against their will:"
Original post by cole-slaw
I beg to differ.

One of the problems we have is that a lot of young men aren't actually all that clear on what is and is not acceptable behaviour. If we spend a little bit of time making sure they understand, then a significant proportion of them may start to think a little bit more carefully before groping the girl in the club/making sexually aggressive remarks to girls on facebook/sticking their dick up that girl who is so drunk she is basically unconscious.


maybe we ought to teach women not to get drunk then if it's an alcohol-based problem. no. oh no. of course not. women are never responsible for avoiding obvious dangers though, right? that's the tune feminism's been jamming, right? we must always blame the men. that's why the male teen that was the victim of revenge porn was the one that got a criminal record for child porn, while his female victim wasn't dealt with whatsoever (I'm referring to the recent famous case). what you need to realise is that night clubs are not the kind of place that somebody should go to if they want to avoid sleaziness. for example - I get girls saying "hey, buy me a drink!" all the time. what do you think that means? what kind of environment do you think night clubs are? an environment where women are trying *not* to get drunk and have men hit on them?! and "sexually aggressive" remarks? as if girls don't make cruel comments! to both guys *and* other girls!
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