US College Shooting - 10 Reported Dead

No it doesn't have anything to do with guns. These people would still get guns and do what they do regardless because the criminal market will always exist. Also, people in the UK have done such things. Look at the Raoul Moat incident for example. To suggest its guns that are the problem is insane. Switzerland and Cyprus both have incredibly high gun ownership levels and both have very low homicide levels. Switzerland for example has a lower firearm related homicide rate than France, where gun ownership is much lower. Cyprus has lower levels than Sweden, Norway and Germany per capita. Access to guns has nothing to do with it.

The problem is people feel left out and marginalised by society. These are some of the same reasons young Brits go and join groups like Islamic State because they want to be known, make a name for themselves and want to achieve it in any way they can. The main problems with America are its attitude towards those with mental health issues and its growing inequality which is concentrated in less affluent districts and suburbs in each and every state and has led to a spike in firearm related crime. America has a sick culture and gun control is not going to cure it. Cutting the weed does not kill the root. America needs to stop marginalising those who are struggling in society and give them a stake in society. Obtaining a gun on the illegal market really isn't as hard as people make out.



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Thanks on both accounts.

Yeah everything you've said is correct. I was just pointing out that every time these shootings occur, it is always in a place where the law has explicitly said "no guns allowed", and the perpetrator is guaranteed 15 minutes or so of unimpeded murder before the police eventually show up.

So nothing has actually been released?

This is so tragic, but honestly I am so used to it. I expect nothing less from braindead United States of **** up who still insist their gun laws only "protect" people.

I honestly believe that if there was gun control the situation in America would be a lot worse. Firstly, the criminal market, especially in relation to arms dealing, would boom and therefore there'd be more money to utilise elsewhere in illegal activities. They have a very warped way of doing things in America where certain people are extremely marginalised and money is the focal point of everything, like people worship it. One only has to look at their healthcare system to see this is the case. I'm not saying everyone is bad there but the culture there has led to violent pockets in certain parts of states and its very worrying.

Another white dude AGAIN!

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/oct/1/chris-harper-mercer-identified-umpqua-community-co/

white

No offense, but you have no idea what you're talking about. This is the most generalised and stereotyped statement I have read in ages. You don't understand American culture nor American 'gun culture'/crime nor how our laws work.

News just in the police have been called to Umpqua Community College responding to a shooting where 10 have been reported dead and many more injured.

The shooter is still active.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/officers-respond-report-shooting-umpqua-community-college-n437051

http://koin.com/2015/10/01/active-shooter-reported-at-umpqua-community-college/?cid=twitter_KOINNews

Edit: 13 Confirmed Dead and 20 Injured. Shooter was shot and killed by officers.

Every time this happens I think, so what? Why is this on the uk news? This happens repeatedly, it isn't shocking as it happens repeatedly and it isn't even in our country.


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If you're from the US, how do you contend with the facts that:

1) Concealed carry has skyrocketed in the past few decades, coupled with a drastic reduction in all kinds of crime.
2) Hundreds to thousands of people use firearms every single day for self defence purposes, even if these incidents are never displayed in the media.
3) Mass shootings almost exclusively occur in "gun free zones" where victims are guaranteed to be defenceless.

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That doesn't say anything about him being white. It is just a name.

1) Gun control isn't about the 'law abiding' gun owners. I'm confident that there are thousands of responsible gun owners in this country, but it's the few that have ruined this right for everyone. If for every 1000 safe gun owners there's 1 mass shooter, that's too high so the privilege should be revoked for everyone. It's simply too dangerous.
2) You pulled this right out of your ass. Only about 1/4 to a 1/3 of Americans own guns. Most Americans do not live in ****ing Somalia where you would need a weapon to defend yourself. Next.
3) What does that have to do with anything?

If you look at the northeastern liberal states, where I live, we have some of the strictest gun control measures in the country. Since enacting such tough measures my state (Massachusetts), for example, hasn't had a mass shooting in over 15 years. Previously they had been occurring every 5 years or so. Whether you like to believe it or not, gun control works. It only doesn't work that well in the US because if one state has it another doesn't, you can easily drive from one to another and get a gun.

mercer: Although it is of early medieval French origin, this is an English and Scottish occupational surname for a trader, or merchant.

Could be mixed though. But he still got the crazy.

1) There are around 100 million gun owners in the USA, and approximately 15 mass shooting incidences a year. That's 0.000015% of gun owners committing mass shootings every year. So a very far cry from your "1 in 1000" estimate. When's the last time we banned something because 0.000015% of the time it was used improperly?

2) "Estimates over the number of defensive gun uses vary, depending on the study's population, criteria, time-period studied, and other factors. Higher end estimates by Kleck and Gertz show between 1 to 2.5 million DGUs in the United States each year.^{[1]:64–65[2][3]} Low end estimates cited by Hemenway show approximately 55,000-80,000 such uses each year.^[4][5] Middle estimates have estimated approximately 1 million DGU incidents in the United States.^[1]:65[6] The basis for the studies, the National Self-Defense Survey and theNational Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS), vary in their methods, time-frames covered, and questions asked.^[7] DGU questions were asked of all the NSDS sample.^[3] Due to screening questions in the NCVS survey, only a minority of the NCVS sample were asked a DGU question.^[8] Besides the NSDS and NCVS surveys, ten national and three state surveys summarized by Kleck and Gertz gave 764 thousand to 3.6 million DGU per year.^[3] Hemenway contends the Kleck and Gertz study is unreliable and no conclusions can be drawn from it.^[4] He argues that there are too many "false positives" in the surveys, and finds the NCVS figures more reliable, yielding estimates of around 100,000 defensive gun uses per year. Applying different adjustments, other social scientists suggest that between 250,000 and 370,000 incidences per year."

3) Mass shooters specifically pick out areas where liberal gun laws are in place, guaranteeing defenceless victims and minimal resistance during their massacres. What doesn't this have to do with the issue in hand?

You seem spectacularly uninformed on this issue.

There is no possible way of knowing he is white, until you either see a picture or it is at least in a news report.

It could also be a name given by a slave owner.