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Original post by Good bloke
Why let the historical truth stand in the way of a comfortable bit of bigotry?


That is (hilariously and ironically) often how it is with Loyalists. For a community who claim such importance for history, they're often woefully ignorant about it.
Original post by gutenberg
That is (hilariously and ironically) often how it is with Loyalists. For a community who claim such importance for history, they're often woefully ignorant about it.


It's the name that gets me - "loyalists". The people and institutions they claim they are loyal to - the inhabitants and government of mainland Britain - welcome their demonstrations of loyalty about as highly as they would a dog turd on the bath mat.
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Original post by william walker
No they didn't. When did the Anglican Church support slavery? Say it was morally acceptable to enslave something else?


It was the Quakers not Anglicans that started the move to abolish slavery. Yes Wilberforce was the key force - but he didn't initiate it.

Also:
"WHY DID CHRISTIANS JUSTIFY AFRICAN SLAVERY? By David Meager The main reason why the British were involved in the transatlantic slave trade was for economicexploitation. That there was so little public opposition to it seems to be for a number of reasons.People just accepted that slavery was a way of life and the horrors involved in the transatlantic slavetrade were out of sight and therefore out of mind. Although many opposed the abuses of thetransatlantic slave trade, they were actually in favour of keeping Africans as slaves. GeorgeWhitefield and Jonathan Edwards both kept slaves, and ‘The Anglican Society for the Propagationof the Gospel in Foreign Parts’ owned many slaves in the Caribbean. Many combined amisapplication of the Old Testament with a mixture of racist and ‘God cursed’ views regardingAfrican people. These views seem to be held by the early British Christian settlers of the NewWorld."
Original post by gutenberg
Anglicanism is the established church in England only. Scotland's established church is Presbyterian, and neither Wales nor Northern Ireland have an established church. So 'Britain' does not have an established church.


Scotland doesn't have an established Church within the British nation state. Anglicanism is the established faith.
Original post by gutenberg
I think you're confusing your dates a bit. The Union between England and Scotland occurred in 1707, during Queen Anne's reign. But Ireland didn't join the Union until 1801, so no 'Union within the British Isles' occurred until the nineteenth century. Until then the plantation settlers lived in a separate kingdom to 'Britain' ,which the Kingdom of Ireland was part of as a personal union of crowns under the Stuart & later Hanoverian monarchies, but there was no formal political union until the nineteenth-century Act of Union.


It was the Parliamentary Union. The political Union took place in 1690.
Original post by Good bloke
Yes, I was aware, funnily enough. Its influence on morality in Britain is minimal and diminishing as we tread the inexorable path to a completely secular state.


We shall see. :smile: The Restoration will happen just wait.
Original post by william walker
Anglicanism is the established faith.


But only in England, and it is as relevant to the general population as a bottle of whisky is to the average Moslem.
Original post by Good bloke
It's the name that gets me - "loyalists". The people and institutions they claim they are loyal to - the inhabitants and government of mainland Britain - welcome their demonstrations of loyalty about as highly as they would a dog turd on the bath mat.


Yes because the Loyalist oppose the British government.
Original post by Good bloke
But only in England, and it is as relevant to the general population as a bottle of whisky is to the average Moslem.


It is the only established Church within the British state. So it is the established Church in Britain.
Original post by william walker
We shall see. :smile: The Restoration will happen just wait.


The Restoration happened in 1660. You still haven't corrected your clock, have you?
Original post by william walker
Scotland doesn't have an established Church within the British nation state. Anglicanism is the established faith.


The Scottish established church is definitely Presbyterian. There is a separate, episcopal Anglican Scottish church which split away definitively in 1689, but it is not established.

The 1800 Act of Union which created the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland brought together the Churches of Ireland and England, both of which were then established churches, into the united Churches of England and Ireland, but recognised an independent Church of Scotland, as a Presbyterian established church. Since Ireland disestablished its Church, there is no 'British' established church. There is the English established church, and the Scottish.
Original post by jneill
It was the Quakers not Anglicans that started the move to abolish slavery. Yes Wilberforce was the key force - but he didn't initiate it.

Also:
"WHY DID CHRISTIANS JUSTIFY AFRICAN SLAVERY? By David Meager The main reason why the British were involved in the transatlantic slave trade was for economicexploitation. That there was so little public opposition to it seems to be for a number of reasons.People just accepted that slavery was a way of life and the horrors involved in the transatlantic slavetrade were out of sight and therefore out of mind. Although many opposed the abuses of thetransatlantic slave trade, they were actually in favour of keeping Africans as slaves. GeorgeWhitefield and Jonathan Edwards both kept slaves, and ‘The Anglican Society for the Propagationof the Gospel in Foreign Parts’ owned many slaves in the Caribbean. Many combined amisapplication of the Old Testament with a mixture of racist and ‘God cursed’ views regardingAfrican people. These views seem to be held by the early British Christian settlers of the NewWorld."


Slavery was basically done away within in Britain by the mid 1700's. Nothing to do with the Quakers. The Empire and colonies were a different matter.
Original post by Good bloke
The Restoration happened in 1660. You still haven't corrected your clock, have you?


Yep and it will happen again.
Original post by william walker
It was the Parliamentary Union. The political Union took place in 1690.


What is 'political union'? If you're talking about the personal union of crowns under a single monarch, then it actually took place in 1603 with the accession of James I and VI, who became king of England, Ireland and Scotland, titles which he passed to Charles I, Charles II, James II and then William III.

Parliamentary union did occur in 1707 and then 1801, but the Three Kingdoms had come under a personal union in 1603.
Original post by william walker
Yep and it will happen again.


There is nothing to restore: we have a monarchy.
Original post by Good bloke
There is nothing to restore: we have a monarchy.


Restore its power and that of the Aristocracy and Church of England.
Anybody who considers themselves nationalist/unionist/loyalist make me lol


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Original post by william walker
Restore its power and that of the Aristocracy and Church of England.


Why don't you stand for parliament on that platform and see whether you get any support?

I must say, you are forthright in your views and bravely state them regardless of the deleterious effect it will inevitably have on your cause. I'm quite convinced we can get you to advance into the eighteenth century one day, though.
Original post by kendellex
Anybody who considers themselves nationalist/unionist/loyalist make me lol


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Why?
Original post by william walker
Why?


The majority of them just consider themselves a nationalist/unionist/loyalist as that is what their parents are and that's what they have been brought up with.
Other times all they care about is whether they want to be British or Irish and they never actually think about the important things like healthcare, infrastructure, education etc.
Basically quite a lot of people are uneducated in their decision.


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