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Is David Cameron a socialist?

He talked about society positively in his speech, which I found unusual for someone who is right-wing.

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Think its fair to say the last thing you could call David Cameron is a socialist...
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Talking about society does not make you a socialist. If it did the Evangelical Right of the Republican party would be a bunch of crazed reds.
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Are you drunk?

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Original post by JackFletch
Think its fair to say the last thing you could call David Cameron is a socialist...


Second last.

The last thing you could call David Cameron is a swinophobe.
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Original post by The_Last_Melon
He talked about society positively in his speech, which I found unusual for someone who is right-wing.


I do not think your question is as stupid as it sounds. It highlights the incoherence of much conservative political thought. For a party that believes so strongly in libertarianism the Conservatives have very odd views on society. It borders on being contradictory.
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Original post by a noble chance
The last thing you could call David Cameron is a swinophobe.
The last thing? I thought piggy-poker or porky swordsman would be the first thing to call him.
Original post by Simes
The last thing? I thought piggy-poker or porky swordsman would be the first thing to call him.


I suppose it hinges entirely on whether you interpret his hog humping as an attempt at hateful subjugation or loving, sexual union. Ever wanting to see the best in people, I have swung for the latter.
All talk and rhetoric. 'Where he says he cares, he cuts'

This is an incredibly right wing government which has plenty of centre ground window dressing.

Just look at what Cameron has done to the unions, to the welfare state and to the public sector. Not to mention a massive swathe of privatisation.

He's done things thatcher could only dream of and he gets away with it because the media and Tory party describe him as some sort of modernising centrist.

He's nothing of the sort. Sure he throws the odd bone such as the minimum wage increase for over 25s yet he then counters it by cutting tax credits - virtually nullifying the former.

He's no centrist, he's not in the centre ground. He's very right wing.
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Original post by The_Last_Melon
He talked about society positively in his speech, which I found unusual for someone who is right-wing.


Because politicians only tell the honest truth, don't they...
Original post by The_Last_Melon
He talked about society positively in his speech, which I found unusual for someone who is right-wing.


It's a con-game - they are trying to portray themselves as moderate in order not to annoy the centrist vote, but in fact they are a radical right wing party even further to the right than Thatcher was.

There's a very good article about it today in the Guardian.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2015/oct/07/cameron-colonising-centre-spin-tories-progressives-right
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Original post by a noble chance
I suppose it hinges entirely on whether you interpret his hog humping as an attempt at hateful subjugation or loving, sexual union. Ever wanting to see the best in people, I have swung for the latter.
I hadn't considered viewing his swine-sex session in a positive light before, but I can see your point. His ham-hammering was part of a communal getting-jiggy-with-the-piggy initiation ritual, so it could be seen as social engagement; bonding and building a community of like-minded dead head bedders. So in that sense, yes, he is a socialist in a "two legs good, four legs just as good" kind of way.
No. I was sitting there listening and just thinking "oh the irony". :redface:

He indeed does seem to be "Thatcher's heir".
Original post by Fullofsurprises
It's a con-game - they are trying to portray themselves as moderate in order not to annoy the centrist vote, but in fact they are a radical right wing party even further to the right than Thatcher was.

There's a very good article about it today in the Guardian.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2015/oct/07/cameron-colonising-centre-spin-tories-progressives-right


At least thatcher had the decency to stab you in the front. She never pretended to care with her 'there is no society' view.

Cameron on the other hand pretends to be your friend, pretends to be compassionate and then stabs you in the back.

Yet the media let him get away with it time and time again.
Original post by evantej
I do not think your question is as stupid as it sounds. It highlights the incoherence of much conservative political thought. For a party that believes so strongly in libertarianism the Conservatives have very odd views on society. It borders on being contradictory.


Libertarianism is only one strand of conservatism.
You lot are just shocked because you don't have memories long enough to know anything other than centre / centre-left governments.

That's not a dig at you, its just fact. You're all in your 20s, you have no memory of Major. All you've known is, at most, Blair and Brown. It doesn't set you up for decent comparisons.

And I'm not much older, so I include myself in that. Yes I was born under Thatcher (not literally, that would be weird), but my life has been largely centre left just like everyone else's here.

Is Cameron a socialist? No, of course not. But that doesn't make him radical right either. Those who suggest he is are guilty of the exact same idiotic and senseless hyperbole that those who label Corbyn a communist are guilty of.

You won't win a political argument by stooping to the same level of idiots - never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

You have to raise the level of debate. And you don't do that by using biased sources.
Original post by Bornblue
At least thatcher had the decency to stab you in the front. She never pretended to care with her 'there is no society' view.

Cameron on the other hand pretends to be your friend, pretends to be compassionate and then stabs you in the back.

Yet the media let him get away with it time and time again.


They have most of the media under their thumb, the Dacre/Rothermere Mail and the Murdoch papers are compliant (they all work for the same hedge funds basically) and the poor old BBC has been effectively neutralised by threats of more cuts to funding and putting mad-hat John Whittingdale in charge of culture, a man who cares as much about culture as I do about motor cycle racing. :lol:
Original post by Fullofsurprises
They have most of the media under their thumb, the Dacre/Rothermere Mail and the Murdoch papers are compliant (they all work for the same hedge funds basically) and the poor old BBC has been effectively neutralised by threats of more cuts to funding and putting mad-hat John Whittingdale in charge of culture, a man who cares as much about culture as I do about motor cycle racing. :lol:

Shhh you're not allowed to say the media are biased and have influence, it's all just a left wing conspiracy!!
People definitely aren't influenced by what they hear and read on a daily basis...
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Original post by Bornblue
Shhh you're not allowed to say the media are biased and have influence, it's all just av left wing conspiracy!!
People definitely aren't influenced by what they hear and read on a daily basis...


Yeah, right, the oligarchs spend billions on their stables of newspapers because they have noooo effect. :yep: :lol:
Original post by Rakas21
Libertarianism is only one strand of conservatism.

Not sure what your point is when libertarianism underpins almost all Conservative policy in practice (e.g. wanting to devolve powers to prison governors, introducing free schools, introducing clinical commissioning groups in the health system, devolving powers to local government and parish councils). Cameron said so himself last month in Leeds when he outlined his vision for a 'smarter state'.

Conservative policy is just an incoherent mess. Consider the Conservative's big society policy that was advocated in the last parliament and has now died (we have now moved onto 'one nation'). Government cuts to charity grants and the criminal justice system meant we ended up in a situation where there were actually fewer local people and charities winning government contracts than before. That should not be possible if Conservative policy also entailed elements of communitarianism or parternalism like it used to.

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