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Jewish teacher is stabbed on Marseille street by three men who shouted their support

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Reply 20
Original post by The_Internet
If you say so. Do you also wear a tin foil hat, and reject what historians have said?


Communists aim for the abolition of social classes, money and state. Soviets from Stalin onward were authoritarian and put all the power in the central state government, including having a strong elite class, how is that communist?
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Original post by The_Internet
Socialist =/= communist, in the same way that nationalism =/= Nazi. Do you ever think through what you say?


Communist =/= communist a lot of the time :tongue:

A lot of the enemies of the Soviet Union were communist. You get this false idea from pop history that communists were all one big group that agreed with each other.
Original post by ChaoticButterfly
Communist =/= communist a lot of the time :tongue:

A lot of the enemies of the Soviet Union were communist. You get this false idea from pop history that communists were all one big group that agreed with each other.


I dont for a moment think that all communists agree with each other. There's bound to be disagreement whatever political system you have. At any rate, this detracts from the original conversation.
Reply 23
Original post by ChaoticButterfly
They were not Muslim. Neither were the flipping Nazis.


Nazis actually went along quite well with Muslims, and they had many in the SS ranks, I guess they were working against the common enemy.

To be fair Nazis also had some Jews in the SS.
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Original post by demx9
Nazis actually went along quite well with Muslims, and they had many in the SS ranks, I guess they were working against the common enemy.

To be fair Nazis also had some Jews in the SS.


They also had Christians in the SS and they also had Muslims fight them but way to make this sound like "Muslims are Nazis"
Original post by ChaoticButterfly
Ye because the only people who have persecuted Jews were Muslims. Soviets, atheists of peace.


I'm surprised, I expected better of you than to use this kind whataboutery.
Original post by Use Err Name
I want to know what an ISIS t shirt looks like..


Reply 27
Can you imagine the meeting in the Daily Mail offices?

Journalist: "A teacher has been stabbed."
Editor: "Great, sounds like a good story. Did an immigrant pupil do it?"
Journalist: "No, it was some blokes in the street."
Editor: "Not interested. Not unless she's hot and we've got a photo of her in a bikini."
Journalist: "It was a male teacher."
Editor: "Definitely not interested. Unless you've got a gory photo of him in hospital with a black eye and stitches? Readers love them."
Journalist: "No. Just a passport photo. It was a Jewish teacher, by the way."
Editor: "Was it? Oh, well. He probably deserved it. No story there then."
Journalist: "But in the photo he looks white."
Editor: "Oh, OK. Maybe we can publish it then. Where's he from?"
Journalist: "France."
Editor: "He's French? Then who cares? Non-story."
Journalist: "Muslims did it."
Editor: "Yay! Great, put it on the front page, but we need a big photo of his white face. I was worried for a moment there. I thought there'd be nobody in this story to hate."

It'll probably turn out to be a bog-standard mugging.
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Original post by Simes
Can you imagine the meeting in the Daily Mail offices?

Journalist: "A teacher has been stabbed."
Editor: "Great, sounds like a good story. Did an immigrant pupil do it?"
Journalist: "No, it was some blokes in the street."
Editor: "Not interested. Not unless she's hot and we've got a photo of her in a bikini."
Journalist: "It was a male teacher."
Editor: "Definitely not interested. Unless you've got a gory photo of him in hospital with a black eye and stitches? Readers love them."
Journalist: "No. Just a passport photo. It was a Jewish teacher, by the way."
Editor: "Was it? Oh, well. He probably deserved it. No story there then."
Journalist: "But in the photo he looks white."
Editor: "Oh, OK. Maybe we can publish it then. Where's he from?"
Journalist: "France."
Editor: "He's French? Then who cares? Non-story."
Journalist: "Muslims did it."
Editor: "Yay! Great, put it on the front page, but we need a big photo of his white face. I was worried for a moment there. I thought there'd be nobody in this story to hate."

It'll probably turn out to be a bog-standard mugging.


Marseille is 40% Muslim. Marseille has the highest crime rates in Europe. I wonder why that is??
Original post by The_Internet
They also had Christians in the SS and they also had Muslims fight them but way to make this sound like "Muslims are Nazis"


Hitler respected the way Muslims treated and slaughtered the Jews. Jewish killing units (einsatzgruppen) were made up of just Bosnian Muslims.
Original post by Simes
Can you imagine the meeting in the Daily Mail offices?

Journalist: "A teacher has been stabbed."
Editor: "Great, sounds like a good story. Did an immigrant pupil do it?"
Journalist: "No, it was some blokes in the street."
Editor: "Not interested. Not unless she's hot and we've got a photo of her in a bikini."
Journalist: "It was a male teacher."
Editor: "Definitely not interested. Unless you've got a gory photo of him in hospital with a black eye and stitches? Readers love them."
Journalist: "No. Just a passport photo. It was a Jewish teacher, by the way."
Editor: "Was it? Oh, well. He probably deserved it. No story there then."
Journalist: "But in the photo he looks white."
Editor: "Oh, OK. Maybe we can publish it then. Where's he from?"
Journalist: "France."
Editor: "He's French? Then who cares? Non-story."
Journalist: "Muslims did it."
Editor: "Yay! Great, put it on the front page, but we need a big photo of his white face. I was worried for a moment there. I thought there'd be nobody in this story to hate."

It'll probably turn out to be a bog-standard mugging.

"A teacher at a Jewish school in the southern French city of Marseille has been stabbed by three people who shouted anti-Semitic insults at him."
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34864509
Now I'm waiting with a lot of popcorn your story about BBC. :smile:
Original post by Willdono
Jewish killing units (einsatzgruppen) were made up of just Bosnian Muslims.

Proof?
Reply 32
Original post by ChaoticButterfly
Plenty of Russian people helped the Nazis carry out the holocaust when they invaded. Is what I am referring to. They were not Muslim. Neither were the flipping Nazis.


The Russians defecting to the Nazis was most probably not atheists. Neither were the Nazis.
Reply 33
Original post by High Stakes
Condolences to the victim. Hope he gets better soon and I hope the three culprits are apprehended and punished.

I'm Muslim myself. It's quite embarrassing and humiliating seeing this behaviour from the "community" that I belong to. Makes you question things I guess. I'll keep minding my business however.

thats part of the problem, at the end of the day these guys are claiming to be muslims, obviously they arent but thats what they are claiming. So its up to the good muslim community to do something constructive about it rather than wash their hands and say "he isn't a real muslim"
All the muslims are trying to do is make us shocked and afraid. - So don't be - Yes, they are being very out of order, but "Let it slide over your head".
Reply 35
Original post by keishasheehy
All the muslims are trying to do is make us shocked and afraid. - So don't be - Yes, they are being very out of order, but "Let it slide over your head".

An interesting—and unusual—expression to use in reference to an organisation renowned for carrying out beheadings.
Reply 36
Original post by ChaoticButterfly

Anyway, I'm a socialist, but just like the left opposition to the Bolsheviks in 1917-1921 and beyond I have never been a Leninist etc. So it is a pointless comparison. Bolsheviks were largely counter revolutionary in my eyes and acted like tyrants from the get go, along with their Menshvik fiends towards working class democracy. I don't like Soviet Union and it damaged and damaged socialism that has never been repaired. It;s no suprise to see me have a go at the Soviet Union.


Mensheviks were moderate social democrats dealing with very difficult economic circumstances as a result of the war and an angry and hugely diverse population. The Bolsheviks were the only people smart enough to put a (variant) of Marxist theory into practice, and if you question that they were Marxist you need nothing more than to look at their social (legalisation of homosexuality, abortion, divorce) and economic policies (control of industry, and no not just by the state at the early stages).
It's also not surprising the Bolsheviks were tyrants at the beginning, given that they had to deal forces invading from France, Britain, Germany, rogue factions in the former Russian Empire, rogue factions in Russia itself, small factions in Siberia and elsewhere in the East. It's really not surprising.
Original post by whorace
Mensheviks were moderate social democrats dealing with very difficult economic circumstances as a result of the war and an angry and hugely diverse population. The Bolsheviks were the only people smart enough to put a (variant) of Marxist theory into practice, and if you question that they were Marxist you need nothing more than to look at their social (legalisation of homosexuality, abortion, divorce) and economic policies (control of industry, and no not just by the state at the early stages).
It's also not surprising the Bolsheviks were tyrants at the beginning, given that they had to deal forces invading from France, Britain, Germany, rogue factions in the former Russian Empire, rogue factions in Russia itself, small factions in Siberia and elsewhere in the East. It's really not surprising.


They all cynically squashed worker democracy and self management. At best they reluctantly went along with it untilk they could suppress it and destroy it later. I'm not denying the Bolsheviks were Marxists at all. Not all Marxists were the same and a lot of the groups I'm defending were probably made up lots of illiterates who would not have been clued up on Marxist theory. They were expected to just submit to chain of command which became more and more tyrannical. Workers must let the Marxist priests lead them, they must not lead themselves.
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Reply 38
Original post by ChaoticButterfly
They all cynically squashed worker democracy and self management.


Aka anarchy at a time the country needed to be united against invading forces
Reply 39
Original post by The_Internet
They also had Christians in the SS and they also had Muslims fight them but way to make this sound like "Muslims are Nazis"
Hitler admired the anti-Semitic and militaristic nature of Islam and believed that, had the Muslims not lost the Battle of Tours, and conquered Europe, Islamicised Germans would have been the ultimate superior race.

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