300+ jihadists returned to UK-Should we send all islamists to Assad to deal with?

the Abu Zubaydah and also kalid sheikh mo were the architypal water-boarding interrogation cases - the Zubaydah sessions were largely the ones that gave cia and army intelligence on OBDs courier. there may well have neen false/dead end leads obtained also but they are irrelevant seeing as the usa techniques gave access to obd in the end - the resulting events speak for themselves. You talk like a 16 year old whos just read a school text book on 'Human Rights'



youll need to sepina the CIA and various other agencies for full details- certiainly though the basics they have openly revealed as to how obd was tracked from numerous interrogations (many of which included tortures cia will never fully admit to , and usa reliance on numerous overseas agencies and their far more brutal techniques such as at Wadi Sir where gdd provided usa with scores of torture interrogations have taken place and provided crucial intelligence to USa and therefore to UK. noone with more than 2 braincells could believe that their governments preservation of their welfare has not been in some way determined by intelligence obtained form somewhere it he world by torture techniques


what do mean in the world - do you genuineally think the world operates some global legal system adhered to by everyone ? one mans torture is another mans police brutality. one mans islamic terrorism is another mans propagation of a sharia state. you celarly have no understanding of what is outside your 4 bedroom walls.

You're suggesting prisons but this raises an interesting issue that has already gone on.

For years allowing Jihadists out of your country to fight a war elsewhere has been a tactic used by some countries as a way to rid themselves of the problem. The thinking goes that if you release troublemakers to a war zone they will likely be killed. It also allows you to take direct action against them if you are already involved in the conflict. Saudi Arabia did this during the 80s in Afghanistan, they encouraged extremist Muslims to go and fight there in the hopes it would stop them focusing on the home front. Russia has done the same with Syria.

This leads to a problem. Whilst many will be killed and others may chose to stay in the country they have fought in, others may become something more akin to mercs , simply wandering from fight to fight, others will come home. This will be a hardened fighter who has fought and survived a war, they will have a skill set that makes them very dangerous. They will also have the ability to pass this on to recruits at home.

So you've removed yourself of say 100 radicalised youths, you may find 10 return who are angry and adept in fighting.

Very true. We also have a world now where there are large numbers of "de-nationalised" youths wondering around, such as Chechens and Algerians for example, full of rage about what has happened to their former homelands and eager to take that rage out in murderous behaviour.

It's also definitely not a good strategy for us to pick a 'side' in the Shia/Sunni conflict. That conflict is anyway somewhat exaggerated by the media, the radical Sunni groups like the Daesh and Al-Queada (the latter really spawned IS in many ways, so broadly they are the same thing, although the former includes a lot of disaffected former Iraqi army people) and others, who have a stake in trying to further inflame the Islamic world. Taking a side, for example, the new fashion for making friends with Iran against the rest, is deeply misguided. We really need to disengage from their struggles and try to help in humanitarian ways where possible and exclude the dangerous ones from coming here. These are all hard to do, but blindly rushing into battle on one side or another as a tactic doesn't help and will be seen by Muslim youth as deeply cynical, rightly.

not sure why we should be trying to cosy up to 'muslim youth' in this way at all many of them have ingrained loyalties to islamic casues not humanitarian ones, and also love anti west conspiracy theories. there are far more important causes for the west to get involved with such as eliminating global poverty, lack of education, womens rights etc all over the globe than given attention to islamic agendas which are basically either age-old land grabs from other faiths , or war of control between shia and sunni

the Abu Zubaydah and also kalid sheikh mo were the architypal water-boarding interrogation cases - the Zubaydah sessions were largely the ones that gave cia and army intelligence on OBDs courier.

there may well have neen false/dead end leads obtained also but they are irrelevant seeing as the usa techniques gave access to obd in the end - the resulting events speak for themselves.

You talk like a 16 year old whos just read a school text book on 'Human Rights'

youll need to sepina the CIA and various other agencies for full details- certiainly though the basics they have openly revealed as to how obd was tracked from numerous interrogations (many of which included tortures cia will never fully admit to , and usa reliance on numerous overseas agencies and their far more brutal techniques such as at Wadi Sir where gdd provided usa with scores of torture interrogations have taken place and provided crucial intelligence to USa and therefore to UK. noone with more than 2 braincells could believe that their governments preservation of their welfare has not been in some way determined by intelligence obtained form somewhere it he world by torture techniques

what do mean in the world - do you genuineally think the world operates some global legal system adhered to by everyone ? one mans torture is another mans police brutality. one mans islamic terrorism is another mans propagation of a sharia state. you celarly have no understanding of what is outside your 4 bedroom walls.

you celarly have no understanding of what is outside your 4 bedroom walls.

ignore him, everyone agrees hes actually an idiot