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Original post by Foo.mp3
That's pretty fortunate then eh, particularly re: Manchester and Oxford (given the heat that the wave of Pakistani/Muslim child abduction/rape gangs have generated in those regions)

Not sure I agree entirely, although granted there has been little detail on the operational strategy, or a time-line for its development

Agreed

He has a mediocre history degree, so perhaps no surprise there then. I, on the other hand, am a reasonably learned graduate economist, as are many of the advisors he has around him e.g. in the Treasury/GES, and trust me/us, fiscal tightening is very much necessary as our stock of debt is simply unsustainable unless/until we hit surplus, and even then there are no guarantees!

We should certainly keep a keen eye on the proper use of force, level of intervention (logistical/social liability), and indeed the scale of related expenditure

Haha, got to look respectable on the world stage, don't ya know :top2:

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I remember Katie Hopkins saying some **** about Rochdale celebrating Pakistan day or something... I don't really agree with or particularly like Simon Danczuk (MP for Rochdale, imo he's a bit of a ****) but what he said about that was spot on. He wrote a piece in the Independent, if I had more energy I'd look for it but essentially it was about how he was reporting her to the police and why, it was great :tongue:

The Tories seem to be ignoring any alternative and ridiculing those who suggest them (e.g. Jeremy Corbyn's suggestion of draining their funds) but that's just my opinion.

Still kinda amazed that a history graduate has been put in charge of the economy. Eh I suppose it's kinda an opinion thing idk, I'll admit to not knowing that much about economics, but I read something from a Nobel Prize winning economist who analysed austerity in the UK and in his opinion it didn't work. From what I've gathered, it depends a lot on the individual country's situation etc. as to whether austerity works, but I may be wrong.

As with the alternatives-to-war thing, there doesn't seem to be any consideration from the top MP's (PM and the cabinet, ordinary MP's - Lab/Tory/LD/whatever - seem a little more hesitant about rushing into air strikes) as to this point; we're just running in with our bombs without thinking about these things.

He could've come up with a better excuse than 'saving the taxpayer money'... plus there's all the environmental impacts etc. that a private plane will have as opposed to chartered...
Original post by Foo.mp3
Perfectly legit suggestion, but not enough in and of itself, even supposing the international community were both willing and able to dry up ISIS' funding

My father was today talking about seeking a coordinated, peaceful approach to cutting off ISIS supply lines but I warned that this would not deter such an enemy; instead they would just hunker down, and eventually abandon their positions and melt away into the region, only to live to rise up here there and everywhere and fight another day. In the meantime, the slow strangulation of ISIS held territory would mean that civilians would be the ones that suffered (terribly)

No, the solution is to obliterate ISIS where they stand, before they have the chance to do the above. This will mean rolling sleeves up and taking towns street by street, but it must be done, anything less will likely prove woefully inadequate/unsustainable

Trust me, it's not e.g. see Stability and Growth Pact, OECD position, historic levels of public debt vs. insolvency/printing and hyperinflation crises etc

If it was Paul Krugman then you can ignore his speil - he's a pretty good Economist when it comes to some things but it's totally reckless attitudes like that got us into this mess in the first place. You cannot spend your way over a mountain of debt and expect to have a soft landing on t’other side any more than you can overcome it by sacking every civil servant in the land, particularly if you don't have investment with high productive multipliers on it; we have no 'Hoover Dam' project in prospect so this New-Deal-esque yanky zealousness (and domestic [political] interference) is really rather unhelpful, Mr. Krugman

Yup e.g. the monetary system, structure, trading position, and efficiency, of an economy will determine the most efficacious level of austerity but, generally, once you approach a stock of debt as high as 100% of GDP you need to be putting on the breaks or you risk undermining financial credibility. For a nation whose economic prospects are as intimately tied to the faith, and health, of the financial markets as UK PLC, aka City of London PLC, you can bet your ass financial credibility is considered paramount

Naw, we’re zipping in with our bombs, they won’t run in on the ground (other than special forces in-and-out jobbies) without significant further deliberation and debate I don’t think

I was being sarcastic (does seem rather OTT), are they suggesting it would actually be more economical? :holmes:


Tbh I'm just gonna nod and agree re: the economics, it's 20 past 9 on a Sunday night and my brain's too dead for that :tongue:

You know 'running' was just a phrase :tongue:

I know you were haha I just thought I'd continue the point. Yep, the government's actually claiming it will save the taxpayer money lmao
Original post by Foo.mp3
At'a girl :h:

For sure, but I'm a bit wary/weary of Corbynites exaggerating what we're talking about right now

We should neither dismiss/nor overplay the seriousness of what is proposed/at stake

Jolly good :u:

Hmm. Methinks I'd like to see an independent audit of that one! :dunce:


How rude :wink:

I'm glad we've come to some sort of agreement :tongue:
Original post by Foo.mp3
With all due respect, I shouldn't think you're daft enough to be an out and out Corbynite dear

Being prepared to share politically incorrect/woefully fatalistic conclusions =/= totally disagreeable sod, necessarily :innocent:


You mean them totally tribal ones that treat everything he says/does as if a deity's done it? :tongue: (I might be a bit biased because my ex was one and I'm totally not still annoyed with him :tongue: but:smile: you seem to see it a lot with the Lib Dems. They seem totally convinced that Liberalism (always capital) is the One True Way and no other way is worth considering - they seem to have something about socialism in particular... idk they just seem the most tribal of the 3 main parties but that could just be my residual bitterness coming out :tongue: (tbf it annoyed me when I was with him too haha)

True!
Original post by Foo.mp3
Oops! Well, at least you're aware

Yup. Intellectual immovability. The funny thing is that they don't seem to realise that this renders them no less narrow minded than those on the far right whom they wholeheartedly ridicule and despise :mmm:

No, they're definitely tribal, particularly because they've been backed into a corner and ridiculed to the nth degree, poor souls

Heh, well, bonus points for persistence! (that would definitely do my head in)


We had a messy, painful break up that was completely his fault (which he admitted :tongue:) so I'm gonna pretend I'm allowed to still be bitter :wink: it was only ~3 months ago tbf and we were pretty intense :tongue:

There's this Lib Dem councillor who wrote an article for the Indy I think it was attacking Labour members for not voting a woman into leader or deputy leader role and calling us all sexist, it's like that's the kind of logic that's got you where you are today, abandoning principles for power *coalition* I mentioned to her about how hypocritical it was to write that when Labour had 50% female candidates and the LD candidates were both men and she replied with 'I wrote a blog on it at the time'. So the criticism of your party goes on your blog and another party goes in a national paper, okay :h:

It's how they always go on about how Liberalism is the only way forward and they won't hear any word to the contrary. My ex and I used to get pretty heated over it as members of our respective parties :tongue:
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