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Howard
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Original post by James Milibanter
Not a muslim



In what way is saying "it's a shame that these people go and partake in such horrid rituals" the same as saying "These people are right in going and joining in with these horrid rituals"?


Do you regard SS camp guards as victims as well - just victims of national socialist propaganda that led them to believe that some people were so subhuman that they should be involuntarily euthanized?

I'm amazed at the pity you show for the perpetrators of murder.
Original post by Howard
Do you regard SS camp guards as victims as well - just victims of national socialist propaganda that led them to believe that some people were so subhuman that they should be involuntarily euthanized?

I'm amazed at the pity you show for the perpetrators of murder.


I pity anyone with the capacity to commit murder. I also pity the SS camp guards, though in a completely different way.

Do not confuse my pity with weakness though.
Original post by James Milibanter
:facepalm:

Go through the survey they conducted and tell me where in their own research it states that 1 in 5 muslims sympathises with jihadists


I don't think you could have read the survey to the bottom.

It clearly asks, at table 6, Which of the following statements most closely represents your view?, with the alternatives all including a reference to sympathy with British jihadis:

The options were:
I have a lot of sympathy with young Muslims who leave the UK to join fighters in Syria
I have some sympathy with young Muslims who leave the UK to join fighters in Syria
I have no sympathy with young Muslims who leave the UK to join fighters in Syria

Excluding don't knows, 19.8% had at least some sympathy for them, which is in complete agreement with the headline.
Original post by Good bloke
I don't think you could have read the survey to the bottom.

It clearly asks, at table 6, Which of the following statements most closely represents your view?, with the alternatives all including a reference to sympathy with British jihadis:

The options were:
I have a lot of sympathy with young Muslims who leave the UK to join fighters in Syria
I have some sympathy with young Muslims who leave the UK to join fighters in Syria
I have no sympathy with young Muslims who leave the UK to join fighters in Syria

Excluding don't knows, 19.8% had at least some sympathy for them, which is in complete agreement with the headline.


Are all Muslims who leave the UK (to fight in Syria) "Jihadists" or are they "Mujahideen"?
Original post by judogainz
it is the truth, they can not publish bs they have to have some evidence


Original post by Good bloke
I don't think you could have read the survey to the bottom.

It clearly asks, at table 6, Which of the following statements most closely represents your view?, with the alternatives all including a reference to sympathy with British jihadis:

The options were:
I have a lot of sympathy with young Muslims who leave the UK to join fighters in Syria
I have some sympathy with young Muslims who leave the UK to join fighters in Syria
I have no sympathy with young Muslims who leave the UK to join fighters in Syria

Excluding don't knows, 19.8% had at least some sympathy for them, which is in complete agreement with the headline.


The actual wording of the poll makes no mention of "jihadis" whatever. All it asked was whether respondents had any sympathy at all towards people going to fight in Syria.There are several sides to the Syrian civil war. There's ISIS, but then there's also the Free Syrian Army who are fighting against Assad and there's the Kurdish led Syrian Democratic Forces who are fighting predominantly against ISIS. Both the Free Syrian Army and the Kurds have been repeatedly portrayed as the good guys in the Western media.Since the poll question draws no distinction whatever between the FSA, the Kurds and ISIS, it's clearly grotesquely irresponsible fearmongering to create a misleading headline claiming that any measure of support for people fighting for any of these groups is exactly the same as having sympathy for just the ISIS "jihadis".It defies belief that millions of people continue to allow this vile propagandist and his criminal organisation to mind-wash them.
Original post by TheArtofProtest
Are all Muslims who leave the UK (to fight in Syria) "Jihadists" or are they "Mujahideen"?


Does it matter? Either way they are breaking UK law by doing so.
Original post by Good bloke
Does it matter? Either way they are breaking UK law by doing so.


Either way, the headline is a fear mongering lie.
Original post by James Milibanter
The actual wording of the poll makes no mention of "jihadis" whatever.


I think we all know what going to fight in Syria means. It is illegal for anyone.
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Howard
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Original post by James Milibanter
I pity anyone with the capacity to commit murder. I also pity the SS camp guards, though in a completely different way.

Do not confuse my pity with weakness though.


I don't consider you weak as much as I consider you at sea with the issue.
Original post by Good bloke
I think we all know what going to fight in Syria means. It is illegal for anyone.


No it doesn't, it doesn't mean that.
Original post by James Milibanter
Either way, the headline is a fear mongering lie.


It is fear-mongering to draw attention to the fact that a fifth of UK Moslems have sympathy for those that break the law to go and fight in Syria? I don't think so.
Original post by James Milibanter
No it doesn't, it doesn't mean that.


What doesn't mean what? You need to be much clearer in what you write.
Original post by Howard
I don't consider you weak as much as I consider you at sea with the issue.


The issue is that there's a divide forming between muslims and the west, headlines such as the one I pointed out don't help.
Original post by Good bloke
It is fear-mongering to draw attention to the fact that a fifth of UK Moslems have sympathy for those that break the law to go and fight in Syria? I don't think so.


Yet it is, as that's not the results of the survey and you know it.

Original post by Good bloke
What doesn't mean what? You need to be much clearer in what you write.


It doesn't mean that they're jihadists. It also means those that go to fight the jihadists.
Original post by James Milibanter
The issue is that there's a divide forming between muslims and the west, headlines such as the one I pointed out don't help.


The divide is because a substantial proportion of Moslems appear to hold views that are at odds with those of the rest of the European population.
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Howard
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Original post by James Milibanter
Either way, the headline is a fear mongering lie.


Is there not reason to be fearful? The Sun headlines to one side, it surely can't have escaped your notice that Europe is a bit skittish at the moment - given recent events.

Would you bet the farm on there not being an attack on London within the next 365 days? I don't think I would.
Original post by Good bloke
The divide is because a substantial proportion of Moslems appear to hold views that are at odds with those of the rest of the European population.


Except that's not true. Why don't you go and ask a muslim what their views are?
Original post by James Milibanter
Yet it is, as that's not the results of the survey and you know it.


As I demonstrated in my first post, that is exactly what it says. 19.8% of Moslems have at least some sympathy for those that go and fight (which is illegal).
Original post by James Milibanter
Except that's not true. Why don't you go and ask a muslim what their views are?


Why should I when Survation have very competently done so already?

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