Eastern EU nations say they'll never agree to limit UK benefits for their immigrants

No, because they are right. Doing so would violate free movement. It would be the same as breaching the Treaties.

It's akin to Scotland demanding it be part of the UK but have the right to deny benefits to English people. It would rightly be seen as unreasonable.

Thoughts?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/622919/Cameron-told-EU-negotiations-will-NEVER-happen-as-Eastern-Europe-plot-to-stop-benefits-cap

Should we just Brexit & then we have the power to stop them claiming benefits without a contribution e.g. 4 years as proposed

Thoughts?

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/622919/Cameron-told-EU-negotiations-will-NEVER-happen-as-Eastern-Europe-plot-to-stop-benefits-cap

Should we just Brexit & then we have the power to stop them claiming benefits without a contribution e.g. 4 years as proposed

but scotland and england are regions of a nation. romania and the UK aren't two parts of one nation, unless you're trying to imply that the european union is or ought to be a nation/federation? besides, why is free movement even a priority? freedom of movement *out* of a country is obviously a civil liberty of citizens of a nation, seeing as to force people to exist within that government's nation would be authoritarianism, but for people *outside* of that nation, our government has nothing to do with at all, so it's not authoritarian simply to have checks on immigration for our own national benefit, not theirs. this nation/state exists for us, not them, because we are citizens of that territory, not them. the whole premise of the EU's freedom of movement is ridiculous. it has nothing to do with efficiency or free trade (of properties/goods, seeing as people aren't goods). to suggest that unlimited access of other european countries is important to trade when it may inflate/distort industries or geographies is insane.

Not at all. I'm saying that for Scotland to do so would violate the basis of the Treaty of Union between our two countries. It doesn't matter whether that Treaty creates a nation, an alliance, or something else - to demand that you are permitted to do something which violates the very basis of that Treaty is akin to demanding the destruction of that Treaty outright.

Try another example: demanding NATO repeal Article 5.

We don't need to to leave the EU, it's about waiting. Other countries are acting tough and trying to pressure on us but ultimately we put a lot in Europe and support a lot of the more western European countries.

The source is biased against the EU and isn't really exploring the situation to the full extent. Give it time. We'll get a fair proportion of what we want.

The point is we do need to leave the EU, to stop benefits we need all 28 EU nations to agree and the Eastern nations never will

Should we just Brexit & then we have the power to stop them claiming benefits without a contribution e.g. 4 years as proposed

so from your perspective, you think that I'm arguing more about the fact that we must/mustn't follow treaties, as opposed to the fact that the treaty concerning immigration and the european union is bad in my opinion? it's as if I was saying "the war on drugs/terror isn't working" and you answered back "this is the law and the government must uphold it!" as if what I was saying has absolutely no normative/subjective value as a matter of discussion.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that your demand is pretty much tearing down the raison d'etre for the EU. So cut the nonsense and just say you dislike the EU's basic premise, and stop pretending it's something that can be negotiated on?

Furthermore, the reason it exists is because the Member States unanimously signed up to it in the founding treaties. The rest of the EU (and the UK, for that matter) considers it a worthwhile endeavour. If the UK doesn't want it and they do, then it's them exercising their sovereign rights to insist upon it, and it's our sovereign right (if a stupid one IMO) to leave if we wish.

With this being nothing close to what the country wants (controlled immigration) (this was a way of trying to reduce it), a Brexit is now looking very very likely indeed.

It is just a shame that what the country wants is not something the country appears to be able to achieve.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34071492
Net non EU-immigration up by 39,000 to 196,000 as opposed to 183,000 EU citizens.

Meanwhile some think that this might change if we were to leave the EU. I think not.

Why not?

It is just a shame that what the country wants is not something the country appears to be able to achieve.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34071492
Net non EU-immigration up by 39,000 to 196,000 as opposed to 183,000 EU citizens.

Meanwhile some think that this might change if we were to leave the EU. I think not.

We have the power to stop non-EU immigrants coming to this country. We could make Visas harder to obtain. We could do much more stringent border checks and a whole load more I am not aware of.

Yet in the last year, 196,000 people from outside the EU came to Britain through immigration control perfectly legally.

So my point, is that if we can't control the immigration we can control, what chance of stopping EU immigration do we have?

It is also worth bearing in mind that a year or so ago, our darling Theresa May imposed tighter border controls, but when returning holiday makers had to wait 6+ hours to get though passport control, her knee jerked so hard she hit her head on the U-turn.

We have the power to stop non-EU immigrants coming to this country. We could make Visas harder to obtain. We could do much more stringent border checks and a whole load more I am not aware of.

Yet in the last year, 196,000 people from outside the EU came to Britain through immigration control perfectly legally.

So my point, is that if we can't control the immigration we can control, what chance of stopping EU immigration do we have?

It is also worth bearing in mind that a year or so ago, our darling Theresa May imposed tighter border controls, but when returning holiday makers had to wait 6+ hours to get though passport control, her knee jerked so hard she hit her head on the U-turn.