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Original post by Smokey96
You say Islam promotes inequality, let me say something in Christianity Timothy 2:12 "I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;she must be quiet." < seriously ??
Fam the bible promotes slavery,terrorism,death to all same sex couples and so forth lets not paint Islam with a bad brush.


So because Christianity is bad, suddenly all criticisms of Islam are lifted?
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Original post by Anonymous
I'm sick and tired of how intolerant this religion is,
Even though im not gay myself, I don't see the problem with it- my whole family is homophobic and it sickens me,
And traditional gender roles are a load of rubbish- why do females have to listen to everything males say? Why can't females travel alone? Why is it when boys are born- the amount distributed is larger than when girls are born? I know lots of you will say it's culture not religion- but this is all in the religious texts and holy books ..
The problem is I do not have the guts to leave, my parents will disown me, most likely my friends will too and I'll be the talk of the town
So yeah I'll be stuck with this
crap for the rest of my life


That sounds like a really tough situation. Perhaps just hold it out a little longer just to avoid hurting them for now and to make things easier for yourself until you have a firm plan and circle of people there for you for when you do decide to make the change?
You can't live your whole life a lie but you don't wana be left with nothing either, that could just lead to regretment and stuff. If I were you, I'd visit a counceller (they have to keep everything confidential) and let them know how you're feeling.
Best of luck :smile:
Original post by Anonymous
Homosexuality is natural.. If they're created this way what else can they do? They're not attracted to people of the opposite gender, they were made that way!
Also, STD and HIV can also spread through normal couples too
if condoms etc are used this can be prevented.
Homosexuals don't have control over who they're attracted too? So should they just live a miserable life and never be with the person they want to?
I've hard this argument with my brother before, and he said it's unnatural and influenced by media etc
But if that's true, why do homosexual animals exist? Are they influenced by the media too?
No it's just a normal thing, that some people aren't attracted to the opposite sex
I myself am not homosexual, but I don't see why people that are homosexual should be prevented from who they want to spend their life with..


First of all nobody is born gay as of the man who made this so called reasonable hypothesis was gay himself.And being gay is transmitted through the environment they live in and the way the individual is socialised and to over come this, one has to worship Allah to softer there hearts.Gradually they will be no longer gay as I know people this has happened to.And if animals do such inappropriate acts then sure it's ok for humans to do so right?.And yes transmitted diseases does happen through heterosexual relationships but in comparison to homosexual relationships it's not 6x as likely to occur.Overcoming the desire is a struggle one has to over come.Allah is witnessing this and of course as far as the individual abstains away from the act then they shall be fine.
Original post by abruiseonthesky
You're condemning homosexuals/bisexuals etc. for living their lives when really it's nothing to do with you. You say 'why would you harm your body' like homosexual acts are inherently bad, I was just pointing out the hypocrisy of that statement.


It's just my perspective it's proven by science there is a higher chance in transmitting sexual diseases so why would you personally put yourself through that?.Its a logical question which needs an answer, if something has risk attached to it shouldn't you restrain away from it?
Original post by Smokey96
First of all nobody is born gay as of the man who made this so called reasonable hypothesis was gay himself.And being gay is transmitted through the environment they live in and the way the individual is socialised and to over come this, one has to worship Allah to softer there hearts.Gradually they will be no longer gay as I know people this has happened to.And if animals do such inappropriate acts then sure it's ok for humans to do so right?.And yes transmitted diseases does happen through heterosexual relationships but in comparison to homosexual relationships it's not 6x as likely to occur.Overcoming the desire is a struggle one has to over come.Allah is witnessing this and of course as far as the individual abstains away from the act then they shall be fine.


LOL sorry but that's bull****
What about those people raised in countries like Saudi Arabia and Muslim countries where homosexuality is forbidden? Why do they become homosexual? Because they're socialised that way? I don't think so lol. It's natural .. It has to be
Original post by Jooooshy
So because Christianity is bad, suddenly all criticisms of Islam are lifted?


Nope it's just that the way u portrayed Islam for a second, it was not a true reflection of the religion.It seems like u r basing and moulding Islam on your families expectations.
Original post by Anonymous
LOL sorry but that's bull****
What about those people raised in countries like Saudi Arabia and Muslim countries where homosexuality is forbidden? Why do they become homosexual? Because they're socialised that way? I don't think so lol. It's natural .. It has to be


Prove to me how it's natural ? I'm astonished and curious, how?.
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Original post by XcitingStuart
Notification, perhaps? (Although still you only need one letter in a quote.)(Not many people know @ either.)


Still should be illegal and punishable by death
Original post by Smokey96
It's just my perspective it's proven by science there is a higher chance in transmitting sexual diseases so why would you personally put yourself through that?.Its a logical question which needs an answer, if something has risk attached to it shouldn't you restrain away from it?


I'm guessing you never get in a car, then, given the risk of serious injury or death? Or take medicine, given the risk of allergic reaction?
Original post by Smokey96
Prove to me how it's natural ? I'm astonished and curious, how?.


Science.
Original post by Anonymous
I'm sick and tired of how intolerant this religion is,
Even though im not gay myself, I don't see the problem with it- my whole family is homophobic and it sickens me,
And traditional gender roles are a load of rubbish- why do females have to listen to everything males say? Why can't females travel alone? Why is it when boys are born- the amount distributed is larger than when girls are born? I know lots of you will say it's culture not religion- but this is all in the religious texts and holy books ..
The problem is I do not have the guts to leave, my parents will disown me, most likely my friends will too and I'll be the talk of the town
So yeah I'll be stuck with this crap for the rest of my life


Speak to a learned Muslim. Preferably modern (Brought up here). Get all your questions out and don't tell them you want to leave Islam.
Original post by jlsmpV2
Still should be illegal and punishable by death


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Original post by Anonymous
LOL sorry but that's bull****
What about those people raised in countries like Saudi Arabia and Muslim countries where homosexuality is forbidden? Why do they become homosexual? Because they're socialised that way? I don't think so lol. It's natural .. It has to be

There are people who choose to be gay and they've changed their sexuality
Original post by abruiseonthesky
Science.


But the fact is that there is simply no reputable scientific evidence that anyone is born gay.Let's not lie to ourselves, what u mean "science" I'm sorry your lies doesn't prove anything.
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Original post by Smokey96
First of all nobody is born gay as of the man who made this so called reasonable hypothesis was gay himself.And being gay is transmitted through the environment they live in and the way the individual is socialised and to over come this, one has to worship Allah to softer there hearts.Gradually they will be no longer gay as I know people this has happened to.And if animals do such inappropriate acts then sure it's ok for humans to do so right?.And yes transmitted diseases does happen through heterosexual relationships but in comparison to homosexual relationships it's not 6x as likely to occur.Overcoming the desire is a struggle one has to over come.Allah is witnessing this and of course as far as the individual abstains away from the act then they shall be fine.


Why would people go through the pain and embarrassment of pretending to be straight for years if it was just environmental!!!
The suicide rate for gay kids in this country is higher than it should be, and that's because people like you in the 21st century are still trying to tell them their brain chemistry is wrong. Grow up
Original post by Smokey96
Prove to me how it's natural ? I'm astonished and curious, how?.


It's natural, for it occurs without human interference.
That's the only stipulation.
Original post by iamthetruth
There are people who choose to be gay and they've changed their sexuality


I highly doubt they actually change tbh.
Original post by abruiseonthesky
I'm guessing you never get in a car, then, given the risk of serious injury or death? Or take medicine, given the risk of allergic reaction?


Let's not digress, stick to the subject.
Original post by Smokey96
But the fact is that there is simply no reputable scientific evidence that anyone is born gay.Let's not lie to ourselves, what u mean "science" I'm sorry your lies doesn't prove anything.


No, but there is a **** tonne of evidence proving its prominence throughout the animal kingdom, and we are just another species of animals, however much we try to distance ourselves from that fact. There is also a lot of research going on in the field to find out definitively why people are gay; the evidence, which has been around for years, is pointing to hormonal influence in the womb. How do I know? Because I study this stuff, and rely on experiments and evidence rather than a book.
Original post by Smokey96
Let's not digress, stick to the subject.


The subject you just brought up was subjecting yourself to increased risk through various activities.

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