Should the UK bomb ISIS in SYRIA?

Firstly, you did not used it to say the media only show the bad sides, you attempted to use it to show they 'aren't all that bad'.

Secondly, the SYRIAN observatory of human rights, Daesh basically rum Syria right now, besides President Assad is hardly know for being honest.

The UN have reported that Daesh in its first few months killed 24,000 with another 11,275 Daesh fighters dead too. That is 35,275 in its first few months. Aka. TEN TIMES the amount the metro reported

You basically turned to me and said that they weren't that bad and the media was misrepresenting the

Your ignorance to the fact demonstrates my media point.



Can I just say that if you do not believe in the integrity of the SOHR, then we are all screwed because most of the information coming out from Syria (IS and Assad massacres) can all be traced back to the SOHR?



And have the UN, who probably got the information from SOHR, reported the 400,000 figure that you claimed?

Hang on but the UN didn't report the 3500 you stated. Stop trying the hide the fact that you messed up by attacking my points. Your argument is unsubstantiated and baseless. I am more inclined to believe the UN than SOHR.

And actually, you used a METRO article to demonstrate your point means that you are using media to argue your point! So who is believing the media now?

I have presented my evidence for 3500, of whom ~500 were IS personnel themselves.

Where is your evidence for the UN figures? Do you have a link? Anything we can use to confirm the numbers you are talking about?



That was an article that simply listed a source, as most news article do.

Given your insistence, I have found the source.

The issue was about the number of deaths. Whether it was justified or not is another question altogether.

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I don't think you have read the article yourself, that figure is only for EXECUTIONS, ISIS have killed a lot more through mass shootings and terrorist acts and regards to a source I have an aljazeera article www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/02/isil-abuses-iraq-amount-genocide-150224060400831.html

This is from official UN figures for 2014 (first 8 months) alone. Bearing in mind ISIL have been around since the 2000s and they killed over 300,000 in the civil war. And you seem to forget that they are Iraq as well, not just Syria.

No. You are trying to play down the crimes of ISIS. I am putting them in context.

That is really the lowest of the low. I point you towards 3500 people killed by IS in Syria and you come back with figures for Iraq which includes all civilians killed, regardless of which side they belong to or who perpetrated the killing.



Oh please, this is ridiculous smearing (not that the IS name can go lower) and is a despicable twisting of words and facts (well, they seem to be more your opinion).

As much as I want IS to be wiped out, I will not be party to a gross distortion of the figures, for you to justify, in your own mind really, as to why you want to wipe out IS.

You are incapable of accepting that you have been proved wrong. I have proved you incorrect multiple times and you simply cannot accept it. Shameless. I am starting to wonder if you have pro ISIS tendencies, seeming as you are so intent on defending them.

THESE ARE OFFICIAL UN FIGURES FOR GODS SAKE WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT?

IS have committed crimes, I don't disagree but where you have people claiming that they have caused 400,000 deaths in order to justify their perverted view that IS should be wiped out, I simply decided to add a little bit of perspective.

After all, if it's only a numbers game that we are concerned about, then my putting it into perspective is a valid argument.

We have people like sw651 who are stubbornly providing misinformation, in spite of the evidence and basing their case for IS on a numbers game. Ridiculous.

Please educate yourself before you go around making silly statements and rubbish arguments. I have consistently form apart your argument and you are too stubborn to accept you are right.

Please don't shout. I understand this is an emotional topic but it is not becoming in a discussion.

I have clearly, on multiple occasions, pointed out to you that your 400,000 figure, supposedly the amount of civilians that have been killed by IS, in Syria, is fundamentally flawed.

I don't know where you get your information but clearly, it doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

You mention the UN figures for Iraq, but we are talking about Syria. Furthermore, had we also included Iraq, the civilian figures would have included those whom IS have killed, and those whom non-IS have killed.

As it stands, you have no argument, nor any reliable source or statistic on the number of people that IS have killed as non-combatants, within Syria.


I gave you a source that put the figure around 3500 (including ~500 of their own) since July 2014 (over a period of 16 months) and you refuse to accept that because it doesn't fit in with whatever warped or twisted opinions you have used to reconcile yourself to the destruction of IS, and within this, the impending destruction and implosion of Syria.

Actually we were talking about IS in general, and you still haven't got the point that your figures are only execution figures, read your article again.

Yes, "execution figures" because in Syria, they can only kill in places where they exercise control.

But if you have evidence to the contrary or further information, I would be willing to take a look at it.

Okay, as a student of English I cannot make this any clearer, you have misread the article. The article states that this is the number of people executed by ISIS, execution is the act of killing someone for an alleged crime, they also commit mass murder, the figures you have given cannot be given as evidence for the OVERALL number of people that have died under ISIS acts.
Look 3500 or 400,000 it is still barbaric and we cannot negotiate, we have to bomb.

As a student of "English", you used the acronym "Da'esh" previously to refer to IS. Why did you do this?

I realize that it doesn't correspond to your pre-conceived views about IS being a nasty group when you find out that they have killed only 3500 (~500 of their own) but the figures clearly state how many civilians they have executed.

The figure of 3500 includes the mass murder of civilians in Syria. It includes the genocides and atrocities within Syria over the last 16 months.

That may be difficult to believe but IS needs people more than it needs territory. What's the point in committing massacres against people when you need them to raise taxes to fund your activities?

Daesh and IS are the same thing, Daesh is the Arabic name in English phonetics.

And clearly you support them, I get that now, so I will leave you as I don't want to associate with IS sympathisers

Go on........