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Israel: Russian jet entered our airspace, but..., we didn't shoot them down

A Russian jet recently entered Israeli airspace but was not shot down thanks to an open communication system between the two countries, Israel's defence minister has said, as tensions continued to flare between Ankara and Moscow after Turkish troops shot down a Russian warplane. Israel's defence minister, Moshe Ya'alon, said the plane entered about one mile (1.5km) into Israeli airspace by mistake and immediately turned around back to Syria when the Russians were notified. For two months, Russia has been carrying out airstrikes in support of the Syrian president, Bashar al-Assad.


Israel: Russian jet intruded our airspace, we didn't shoot them down. Russia is not enemy and there is no need to

Ya'alon told Israel Radio that after Russia announced its air campaign in Syria, the Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, along with his military chief of staff and other officials, met with the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, and later opened a channel for coordination with Russia "to prevent misunderstandings". He said there has been one incident so far of a Russian plane entering Israeli airspace and it was "immediately corrected in the communications channel". He didn't say when it occurred.Ya'alon said: "Russian planes don't intend to attack us and therefore there is no need to automatically, even if there is some kind of mistake, shoot them down." Putin has signed a decree to impose economic sanctions against Turkey, including a ban on some goods and extensions of labour contracts for Turks working in Russia from 1 January 2016. He also called for an end to chartered flights from Russia to Turkey, for Russian tourism companies to stop selling vacation packages that would include a stay in Turkey, and for an end to visa-free travel between Russia and Turkey, and tighter controls of Turkish air carriers in Russia. The decree was issued "to protect Russian citizens from crimes", a Kremlin statement said.

Turkey-Russia clash: Putin has signed a decree imposing economic sanctions against Turkey

In response to the announcement, a senior Turkish official told Reuters that sanctions imposed by Moscow on Turkey only serve to deepen the problem between them. "Sanctions like this would only damage relations. These steps do not make anything easier, but deepen the problem," the official said. While it is still too early to quantify the impact of Russian sanctions on the Turkish economy, the effect could "clearly" be negative as Turkey stands to lose a major source of tourism revenue, said Apostolos Bantis, a credit analyst a Commerzbank AG in Dubai. Turkey is the most popular foreign destination for Russians, with 3.3 million visiting in the first nine months of this year.

"We expect markets will react negatively and we'll see further volatility across all Turkish assets until there is further clarity on specific sanctioned entities and banned products," Bantis said. Putin's spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, called the behavior of the Turkish air force "absolute madness" and said Ankara's subsequent handling of the crisis had reminded him of the "theater of the absurd." "Nobody has the right to traitorously shoot down a Russian plane from behind," Peskov told Russia's "News on Saturday" TV program, calling Turkish evidence purporting to show the Russian SU-24 jet had violated Turkish air space "cartoons".


Anti-Turkey sentiment boiling in Russia

Peskov, according to the TASS news agency, also spoke of how Turkish President Erdogan's son had a "certain interest" in the oil industry. Putin has said oil from Syrian territory controlled by Islamic State militants is finding its way to Turkey. On the other hand, Turkish warplanes have abruptly ceased violating Greek airspace after the downing of the Russian jet. Previously, air intrusions made by Turkish fighter jets took place on a daily basis and amounted to thousands a year. Intrusions of Turkish jets into Greek national airspace remain a diplomatic strain between Turkey and Greece, a NATO and EU members.

Once the Russian warplane went down in flames, "there was zero activity of Turkish aviation in Greek FIR in the Aegean Sea, and it is understandable why," a diplomatic source in Athens told RIA Novosti. In 2014, there were 2,244 incidents Turkish jet violated Greek airspace. From January to October 2015, Greece's airspace was violated by Turkish warplanes 1,233 times, including 31 flights over Greek territory itself, according to the Greek Air Force's headquarters. In November, before the downing of the Russian bomber, there were at least 50 registered airspace violations.


Israel: Russian markets is now open to us!

The Times of Israel reported that as Russian boycott mounts against Turkish products, Israel may stand to benefit. Already big buyers of agricultural produce from Israel, Russian consumers are likely to get more of them as Turkish vegetables are phased out by Moscow. The Turkish Daily Sabah newspaper reported that Russia had already stopped importing Turkish goods. Adnan Dalgahran, a member of the Turkish Exporters Association, told the Daily Sabah that the Russian customs authorities had refused to receive Turkish goods, providing a variety of excuses.

Zvi Alon, chairman of the Israel Plant Production and Marketing Board, said that Russia in recent years has become a top market for Israeli produce and that both countries are interested in increasing that trade. "Already most of the carrots sold in Russia are Israeli," said Alon. "Over the past several years. we've exported between 150,000 and 180,000 tons of carrots to Russia. Peppers are also a major export for us, with 150,000 tons going to Russia over the past two years, which constitutes 50% of our pepper exports. Overall Israel earns a billion dollars annually in agricultural exports, and we estimate that about a quarter of that comes from sales to Russia."


Israel: If Russian needs more vegetables or other produce, we can turn more desert into farms

Facing increasing restriction from the European Union labeling rules as well as international boycott efforts aimed at Israeli products in general Israel has sought to groom markets outside the EU for its products, services, and technology. China, for example, has become a favorite export target for Israeli start-up technology, while Israeli water and agricultural tech is a major export to India and many countries in the developing world. Now with rising Russian anger at Turkey, Israel had the opportunity to export even more, taking the place of Turkish produce and food products in Russian pantries.

To strike while the iron is hot, the Israel Farmers and Agricultural Workers Association said that it immediately organized a delegation to leave for Russia this week to meet with government officials there. "In Russia, they have decided that Israeli produce is among the best," the organization said, and expressed its intention to take advantage of that. A largely desert nation, Israel utilized technologies to turn sands into farms. Agriculture represented 1.9% of Israel's total annual GDP and made up 4.2% of its total exports.

With Vladimir Putin warning Russians this week against traveling to Turkey and Egypt beset by militant attacks from ISIS, where a Russian charter plane flying from the resort city of Sharm el-Sheikh to Saint Petersburg was downed by a bomb last month, Israel has jumped in to fill the void, flaunting its beaches in advertisements broadcast on Russian television. Israeli officials recently visited Moscow to propose sponsoring flights to the resort town of Eilat, Russian media reported.

"We had already boosted our marketing efforts in Russia over the past two weeks" and will be adding an additional 10 million shekels ($2.6 million) to the campaign following the Russia-Turkey frictions, said Michal Gerstler, Israel Tourism Ministry spokeswoman. "Israel could serve as a good vacation alternative to Sinai and Turkey for the Russians, with our similar weather, appropriate accommodations and comparable distances.'' "This is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for Israeli tourism," says Galit Shaked Rubin, product manager in the Tel Aviv office of Pegas, a Russian tour operator. "If we can expose a lot more Russians to the attractions here over this winter season, it could generate a permanent boost for years to come." Tourism and recreation is a major industry for Israel, accounting for about 7% of gross domestic product.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/29/russian-plane-breached-israeli-airspace-returned-syria

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-29/davutoglu-faults-putin-sanctions-as-turkey-seeks-to-ease-tension

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/29/us-mideast-crisis-turkey-russia-kremlin-idUSKBN0TH0H720151129#8K1lF2v6dr7HljYX.97

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-russia-plane-entered-israeli-controlled-zone-without-incident-2036563326

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/11/29/israel-defense-minister-says-russian-plane-breached-airspace/

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/article46733050.html
The Turkish military shot down the Russian jet after having encroached Turkish airspace some days previously.

Did the Israeli's have to repeatedly warn the Russian jet not to approach it's airspace? Did the Israeli's call in the Russian ambassador and officials to protest about Russian jets possibly infringing Turkish airspace?


As for the Greek airspace violations, the Greeks and Turks both agree on a 6 mile territorial waters and corresponding 6 mile airspace but the Greeks would like 6 mile maritime borders with a 10 mile airspace boundary, a request that is reasonably denied by anyone taking a look at a map and the issue of the Aegean Islands. Hence, it is not really a violation of Greek airspace but a unrecognized violation of an unrecognized Greek airspace.


I'm actually surprised that Israel didn't shoot down the Russian jet given the amount of Russian arms that make their way from Iran to Syria to Lebanon and in their way to Palestine. Just a couple of weeks back the Israeli's launched an airstrike on a convoy of Russian (I think) missiles intended for Hezbollah.
Original post by TheArtofProtest
The Turkish military shot down the Russian jet after having encroached Turkish airspace some days previously.

Did the Israeli's have to repeatedly warn the Russian jet not to approach it's airspace? Did the Israeli's call in the Russian ambassador and officials to protest about Russian jets possibly infringing Turkish airspace?


As for the Greek airspace violations, the Greeks and Turks both agree on a 6 mile territorial waters and corresponding 6 mile airspace but the Greeks would like 6 mile maritime borders with a 10 mile airspace boundary, a request that is reasonably denied by anyone taking a look at a map and the issue of the Aegean Islands. Hence, it is not really a violation of Greek airspace but a unrecognized violation of an unrecognized Greek airspace.


I'm actually surprised that Israel didn't shoot down the Russian jet given the amount of Russian arms that make their way from Iran to Syria to Lebanon and in their way to Palestine. Just a couple of weeks back the Israeli's launched an airstrike on a convoy of Russian (I think) missiles intended for Hezbollah.


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i might be wrong but as far as turkey is concerned turkish jets don't penetrate greek territory because of the dispute over ww1 treaty?

regardless, greece is not turkey anf life is not fair. nations, like humans, are not equal and there is no teacher that gives a toss to tell. this naive school playground perceptions of international politics that u often see is irrelevant.

syrian state is not turkey's friend, jihadis in syria are turkey's friend and russia is helping the syrian state against jihadis.

end of the day it is just a su-24 and a pilot or two, who cares? russia doesn't, russia has about a thousand strike jets lol. not interesting news, just something to print onto paper.
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Surely the issue here is don't fly jets in other countries' airspace.

If the RAF started firing missions over Russian airspace how would the Russians feel about it?
Original post by HucktheForde
A Russian jet recently entered Israeli airspace but was not shot down thanks to an open communication system between the two countries, Israel's defence minister has said, as tensions continued to flare between Ankara and Moscow after Turkish troops shot down a Russian warplane. Israel's defence minister, Moshe Ya'alon, said the plane entered about one mile (1.5km) into Israeli airspace by mistake and immediately turned around back to Syria when the Russians were notified. For two months, Russia has been carrying out airstrikes in support of the Syrian president, Bashar al-Assad.


Israel: Russian jet intruded our airspace, we didn't shoot them down. Russia is not enemy and there is no need to

Ya'alon told Israel Radio that after Russia announced its air campaign in Syria, the Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, along with his military chief of staff and other officials, met with the Russian president, Vladimir Putin, and later opened a channel for coordination with Russia "to prevent misunderstandings". He said there has been one incident so far of a Russian plane entering Israeli airspace and it was "immediately corrected in the communications channel". He didn't say when it occurred.Ya'alon said: "Russian planes don't intend to attack us and therefore there is no need to automatically, even if there is some kind of mistake, shoot them down." Putin has signed a decree to impose economic sanctions against Turkey, including a ban on some goods and extensions of labour contracts for Turks working in Russia from 1 January 2016. He also called for an end to chartered flights from Russia to Turkey, for Russian tourism companies to stop selling vacation packages that would include a stay in Turkey, and for an end to visa-free travel between Russia and Turkey, and tighter controls of Turkish air carriers in Russia. The decree was issued "to protect Russian citizens from crimes", a Kremlin statement said.

Turkey-Russia clash: Putin has signed a decree imposing economic sanctions against Turkey

In response to the announcement, a senior Turkish official told Reuters that sanctions imposed by Moscow on Turkey only serve to deepen the problem between them. "Sanctions like this would only damage relations. These steps do not make anything easier, but deepen the problem," the official said. While it is still too early to quantify the impact of Russian sanctions on the Turkish economy, the effect could "clearly" be negative as Turkey stands to lose a major source of tourism revenue, said Apostolos Bantis, a credit analyst a Commerzbank AG in Dubai. Turkey is the most popular foreign destination for Russians, with 3.3 million visiting in the first nine months of this year.

"We expect markets will react negatively and we'll see further volatility across all Turkish assets until there is further clarity on specific sanctioned entities and banned products," Bantis said. Putin's spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, called the behavior of the Turkish air force "absolute madness" and said Ankara's subsequent handling of the crisis had reminded him of the "theater of the absurd." "Nobody has the right to traitorously shoot down a Russian plane from behind," Peskov told Russia's "News on Saturday" TV program, calling Turkish evidence purporting to show the Russian SU-24 jet had violated Turkish air space "cartoons".


Anti-Turkey sentiment boiling in Russia

Peskov, according to the TASS news agency, also spoke of how Turkish President Erdogan's son had a "certain interest" in the oil industry. Putin has said oil from Syrian territory controlled by Islamic State militants is finding its way to Turkey. On the other hand, Turkish warplanes have abruptly ceased violating Greek airspace after the downing of the Russian jet. Previously, air intrusions made by Turkish fighter jets took place on a daily basis and amounted to thousands a year. Intrusions of Turkish jets into Greek national airspace remain a diplomatic strain between Turkey and Greece, a NATO and EU members.

Once the Russian warplane went down in flames, "there was zero activity of Turkish aviation in Greek FIR in the Aegean Sea, and it is understandable why," a diplomatic source in Athens told RIA Novosti. In 2014, there were 2,244 incidents Turkish jet violated Greek airspace. From January to October 2015, Greece's airspace was violated by Turkish warplanes 1,233 times, including 31 flights over Greek territory itself, according to the Greek Air Force's headquarters. In November, before the downing of the Russian bomber, there were at least 50 registered airspace violations.


Israel: Russian markets is now open to us!

The Times of Israel reported that as Russian boycott mounts against Turkish products, Israel may stand to benefit. Already big buyers of agricultural produce from Israel, Russian consumers are likely to get more of them as Turkish vegetables are phased out by Moscow. The Turkish Daily Sabah newspaper reported that Russia had already stopped importing Turkish goods. Adnan Dalgahran, a member of the Turkish Exporters Association, told the Daily Sabah that the Russian customs authorities had refused to receive Turkish goods, providing a variety of excuses.

Zvi Alon, chairman of the Israel Plant Production and Marketing Board, said that Russia in recent years has become a top market for Israeli produce and that both countries are interested in increasing that trade. "Already most of the carrots sold in Russia are Israeli," said Alon. "Over the past several years. we've exported between 150,000 and 180,000 tons of carrots to Russia. Peppers are also a major export for us, with 150,000 tons going to Russia over the past two years, which constitutes 50% of our pepper exports. Overall Israel earns a billion dollars annually in agricultural exports, and we estimate that about a quarter of that comes from sales to Russia."


Israel: If Russian needs more vegetables or other produce, we can turn more desert into farms

Facing increasing restriction from the European Union labeling rules as well as international boycott efforts aimed at Israeli products in general Israel has sought to groom markets outside the EU for its products, services, and technology. China, for example, has become a favorite export target for Israeli start-up technology, while Israeli water and agricultural tech is a major export to India and many countries in the developing world. Now with rising Russian anger at Turkey, Israel had the opportunity to export even more, taking the place of Turkish produce and food products in Russian pantries.

To strike while the iron is hot, the Israel Farmers and Agricultural Workers Association said that it immediately organized a delegation to leave for Russia this week to meet with government officials there. "In Russia, they have decided that Israeli produce is among the best," the organization said, and expressed its intention to take advantage of that. A largely desert nation, Israel utilized technologies to turn sands into farms. Agriculture represented 1.9% of Israel's total annual GDP and made up 4.2% of its total exports.

With Vladimir Putin warning Russians this week against traveling to Turkey and Egypt beset by militant attacks from ISIS, where a Russian charter plane flying from the resort city of Sharm el-Sheikh to Saint Petersburg was downed by a bomb last month, Israel has jumped in to fill the void, flaunting its beaches in advertisements broadcast on Russian television. Israeli officials recently visited Moscow to propose sponsoring flights to the resort town of Eilat, Russian media reported.

"We had already boosted our marketing efforts in Russia over the past two weeks" and will be adding an additional 10 million shekels ($2.6 million) to the campaign following the Russia-Turkey frictions, said Michal Gerstler, Israel Tourism Ministry spokeswoman. "Israel could serve as a good vacation alternative to Sinai and Turkey for the Russians, with our similar weather, appropriate accommodations and comparable distances.'' "This is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for Israeli tourism," says Galit Shaked Rubin, product manager in the Tel Aviv office of Pegas, a Russian tour operator. "If we can expose a lot more Russians to the attractions here over this winter season, it could generate a permanent boost for years to come." Tourism and recreation is a major industry for Israel, accounting for about 7% of gross domestic product.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/29/russian-plane-breached-israeli-airspace-returned-syria

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-29/davutoglu-faults-putin-sanctions-as-turkey-seeks-to-ease-tension

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/29/us-mideast-crisis-turkey-russia-kremlin-idUSKBN0TH0H720151129#8K1lF2v6dr7HljYX.97

http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-russia-plane-entered-israeli-controlled-zone-without-incident-2036563326

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/11/29/israel-defense-minister-says-russian-plane-breached-airspace/

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/article46733050.html



The propaganda is strong in this one.
Original post by Ser Alex Toyne
The propaganda is strong in this one.


dont you dare.

i put in a lot of effort to search for credible materials for all the articles i post on news and current affairs.

new and old account alike.
Original post by HucktheForde
dont you dare.

i put in a lot of effort to search for credible materials for all the articles i post on news and current affairs.

new and old account alike.


Oh, I'm not doubting your input. Your research is thorough, I'll give you that.

Still smacks of western bias to me anyway.

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