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A concerned applicant

Hi everyone,

I have applied to St Andrews this year as I fell in love with the town, the university and their degree programme when visiting them on an open day this September. Although I don't yet have an offer it is currently my second favourite university. Unfortunately since applying I have seen a lot of negative press about St Andrews; on TSR, the Tab etc etc. Whilst I am aware that these aren't hugely reliable sources I was just wondering whether these views are representative, do people really dislike St Andrews? Or is it simply a few people with a loud voice and a personal vendetta? Here's hoping it's the latter....

Many thanks!
A worried applicant
Reply 1
Hi!

St Andrews is a lovely town and the university is amazing. The only negative thing that comes to mind is that it is a small town, but if you're okay with that then there is nothing to worry about.

If you prefer a wild night-life with a number of clubs and bars to go to then maybe a different uni would be better suited for you, seeing as St Andrews has like- one club and the union but the many pubs all over town offer a nice, intimate alternative, which I personally prefer. The lack of clubs is also remedied by the numerous house parties that take place all over St As over the course of the semester :wink:

That is the only thing I would say could be seen as negative, so if you have no problem with living in a small town, I wouldn't be worried, if I were you~
Hope this helped :smile:
St Salvators Quad, University of St Andrews
University of St Andrews
It's decent I guess. I'm doing a semester here currently, after finishing my undergrad in England. It's got fairly good teaching and great labs, but the uni really lacks a student experience and the town is meh. I did my undergrad at Surrey, which is well known for giving students a enjoyable and great uni experience. St Andrews just doesn't have that. They have events on every now and then, and yes, there is a feeling of community, but you'd be pushed to go any further than that.

Oh and it rains a lot. Like every day. Ehhhhh.
Reply 3
Original post by heyitsKay
Hi!

St Andrews is a lovely town and the university is amazing. The only negative thing that comes to mind is that it is a small town, but if you're okay with that then there is nothing to worry about.

If you prefer a wild night-life with a number of clubs and bars to go to then maybe a different uni would be better suited for you, seeing as St Andrews has like- one club and the union but the many pubs all over town offer a nice, intimate alternative, which I personally prefer. The lack of clubs is also remedied by the numerous house parties that take place all over St As over the course of the semester :wink:

That is the only thing I would say could be seen as negative, so if you have no problem with living in a small town, I wouldn't be worried, if I were you~
Hope this helped :smile:


Hi there!

Thanks so much for your reply. I do enjoy going out and doing things and I wouldn't want to be in all the time but it matters more to me who I'm with than where I am so the lack of clubs wouldn't be an issue really! Like you i would probably prefer to go to pubs. The town really did appeal to me and I suppose if you want to go to shops or whatever you could travel elsewhere nearby? None of what you have mentioned would put me off and is reassuring! Thank you and i am glad that you are enjoying it :smile:
Reply 4
Original post by Keyhofi
It's decent I guess. I'm doing a semester here currently, after finishing my undergrad in England. It's got fairly good teaching and great labs, but the uni really lacks a student experience and the town is meh. I did my undergrad at Surrey, which is well known for giving students a enjoyable and great uni experience. St Andrews just doesn't have that. They have events on every now and then, and yes, there is a feeling of community, but you'd be pushed to go any further than that.

Oh and it rains a lot. Like every day. Ehhhhh.


See I had assumed that, given the university is pretty much the whole town, it would be a good student experience?! As in all the resources you need are local and pretty much everyone around would be a student... I can imagine it is quite a change from Surrey but perhaps since I haven't been anywhere else and can't compare it I might not really notice? There also seemed to be lots of societies and things which I had hoped would have stuff going on :/
Original post by StAndrewsApp
See I had assumed that, given the university is pretty much the whole town, it would be a good student experience?! As in all the resources you need are local and pretty much everyone around would be a student... I can imagine it is quite a change from Surrey but perhaps since I haven't been anywhere else and can't compare it I might not really notice? There also seemed to be lots of societies and things which I had hoped would have stuff going on :/


As I said, it's a decent uni. I'm just focusing on the points that you may not have heard so much about, but on the whole it is still a decent uni.

The town lacks the resources to give a fully enjoyable student experience, in my opinion. I think after four years here I would be very, very bored of seeing the same streets every day.

The societies are probably all right. Surrey was renowned for great societies. Every student was a member of at least one, and they got so much funding, plus you could make a society about anything you wanted. My experience at Surrey has set the bar very, very high. But St Andrews seems a bit different. It seems like most students don't actually attend a society (can a St Andrews undergrad correct me if I'm wrong here?) and while there is a good choice of societies listed, most of them seem quite dead to me. Still, they look ok I guess. The student's union is fairly good here at St Andrews too.
Reply 6
Original post by Keyhofi
As I said, it's a decent uni. I'm just focusing on the points that you may not have heard so much about, but on the whole it is still a decent uni.

The town lacks the resources to give a fully enjoyable student experience, in my opinion. I think after four years here I would be very, very bored of seeing the same streets every day.

The societies are probably all right. Surrey was renowned for great societies. Every student was a member of at least one, and they got so much funding, plus you could make a society about anything you wanted. My experience at Surrey has set the bar very, very high. But St Andrews seems a bit different. It seems like most students don't actually attend a society (can a St Andrews undergrad correct me if I'm wrong here?) and while there is a good choice of societies listed, most of them seem quite dead to me. Still, they look ok I guess. The student's union is fairly good here at St Andrews too.


Yeah, I understand and appreciate that. Thank you! I can see what you mean, it's difficult really because once you have made the decision to go there you're a bit stuck if you do get bored... I really do want to give it a chance though. That's interesting, this is why I am asking because I suppose what you're told on an open day probably isn't totally representative of what really happens...
Reply 7
Original post by Keyhofi
As I said, it's a decent uni. I'm just focusing on the points that you may not have heard so much about, but on the whole it is still a decent uni.

The town lacks the resources to give a fully enjoyable student experience, in my opinion. I think after four years here I would be very, very bored of seeing the same streets every day.

The societies are probably all right. Surrey was renowned for great societies. Every student was a member of at least one, and they got so much funding, plus you could make a society about anything you wanted. My experience at Surrey has set the bar very, very high. But St Andrews seems a bit different. It seems like most students don't actually attend a society (can a St Andrews undergrad correct me if I'm wrong here?) and while there is a good choice of societies listed, most of them seem quite dead to me. Still, they look ok I guess. The student's union is fairly good here at St Andrews too.


I think it really depends on what students you speak to, concerning societies. Last year I went along to loads for the first few weeks, but got so stressed I quit everything. This year, I've been fairly active in a sport and a society, joined an evening class, and generally gone to more activities overall, and loved it! Whilst the university itself doesn't hold a lot of events as such, just joining Facebook groups for loads of societies offers up themed nights in the clubs, arts events (galleries, open mics, concerts), things like that. Not really sure what Surrey offers so I can't really say what's similar to be honest, sorry!

I'd say to get the most out of a society, you really have to invest in it, because we're a small university and so generally have smaller societies. Sorry that I can't comment more!
Reply 8
Original post by JTR__
I think it really depends on what students you speak to, concerning societies. Last year I went along to loads for the first few weeks, but got so stressed I quit everything. This year, I've been fairly active in a sport and a society, joined an evening class, and generally gone to more activities overall, and loved it! Whilst the university itself doesn't hold a lot of events as such, just joining Facebook groups for loads of societies offers up themed nights in the clubs, arts events (galleries, open mics, concerts), things like that. Not really sure what Surrey offers so I can't really say what's similar to be honest, sorry!

I'd say to get the most out of a society, you really have to invest in it, because we're a small university and so generally have smaller societies. Sorry that I can't comment more!


That makes sense! So I suppose if you did get involved in a variety of things then there probably would be quite a lot to do. The main criticism does seem to be that there aren't any clubs, which is fair enough but i'm not sure what people are expecting and that the students aren't nice but that just seems to be people's personal experience. Everyone who I have met or spoken to has been lovely! Everyone also seems to ignore the actual work when criticising St Andrews too which probably means that they're enjoying it and that would take up a lot of time as well...
Reply 9
Original post by StAndrewsApp
That makes sense! So I suppose if you did get involved in a variety of things then there probably would be quite a lot to do. The main criticism does seem to be that there aren't any clubs, which is fair enough but i'm not sure what people are expecting and that the students aren't nice but that just seems to be people's personal experience. Everyone who I have met or spoken to has been lovely! Everyone also seems to ignore the actual work when criticising St Andrews too which probably means that they're enjoying it and that would take up a lot of time as well...


I hate it, most people love it - you will probably love it.

Reference: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showpost.php?p=53194565&postcount=611
Original post by Keyhofi
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The societies are probably all right. Surrey was renowned for great societies. Every student was a member of at least one, and they got so much funding, plus you could make a society about anything you wanted. My experience at Surrey has set the bar very, very high. But St Andrews seems a bit different. It seems like most students don't actually attend a society (can a St Andrews undergrad correct me if I'm wrong here?) and while there is a good choice of societies listed, most of them seem quite dead to me. Still, they look ok I guess. The student's union is fairly good here at St Andrews too.


Not a current undergrad, but I did 8 years at St Andrews so I think I'm somewhat qualified to offer an opinion, and I think that you couldn't be more wrong about the societies/sports clubs. Obviously I can't compare them to Surrey, but I can say that almost everyone I know/knew was involved in at least one club or society, and they're all really active. After all, as plenty of people noted, we don't have any nightclubs (not really anyway), so we have to get our social scene somewhere, and in my experience that was at club/society events, socials and balls.

The uni actually ranks pretty highly on its student experience in surveys, and normally only falls down on things like the library (lots of efforts are being made to improve that!), and before it was redeveloped the union was seen as a bit naff, but people really seem to love the redevelopment.

OP, I'd say if you've visited and you liked it then, then it's unlikely that you'll hate it here. The vast majority of haters are people who didn't visit, and didn't know what to expect from a small town.
Original post by la_banane_verte
Not a current undergrad, but I did 8 years at St Andrews so I think I'm somewhat qualified to offer an opinion, and I think that you couldn't be more wrong about the societies/sports clubs. Obviously I can't compare them to Surrey, but I can say that almost everyone I know/knew was involved in at least one club or society, and they're all really active. After all, as plenty of people noted, we don't have any nightclubs (not really anyway), so we have to get our social scene somewhere, and in my experience that was at club/society events, socials and balls.

The uni actually ranks pretty highly on its student experience in surveys, and normally only falls down on things like the library (lots of efforts are being made to improve that!), and before it was redeveloped the union was seen as a bit naff, but people really seem to love the redevelopment.

OP, I'd say if you've visited and you liked it then, then it's unlikely that you'll hate it here. The vast majority of haters are people who didn't visit, and didn't know what to expect from a small town.


I second your comments.

As a current undergrad, everyone I know is actively involved in societies, sports clubs, volunteering or part-time employment. To be honest, I think it would be weirder to find someone who isn't involved in society (or multiple) at St Andrews (unless they're too busy in their 4th year).

If you've visited and liked it, then you're likely to like it for the 4 years you're here.
I love St Andrews, any while I'm only a first year, I've yet to meet anyone who doesn't like it here! There are always the minority who did not visit the town/had unrealistic expectations about its nightlife, but in my opinion, especially now that the union has been redeveloped, the nightlife really isn't that bad! Those complaining really are in the minority.

Societies here are incredibly active, if I went to all that I'm interested in, there would be something on every night, if not more and while I obviously don't know about the 'student experience' at other universities, mine has been pretty great so far!
Original post by StAndrewsApp
Hi everyone,

I have applied to St Andrews this year as I fell in love with the town, the university and their degree programme when visiting them on an open day this September. Although I don't yet have an offer it is currently my second favourite university. Unfortunately since applying I have seen a lot of negative press about St Andrews; on TSR, the Tab etc etc. Whilst I am aware that these aren't hugely reliable sources I was just wondering whether these views are representative, do people really dislike St Andrews? Or is it simply a few people with a loud voice and a personal vendetta? Here's hoping it's the latter....

Many thanks!
A worried applicant


The majority of people like the university. If you visited and loved it, you'll be fine.

Those that don't like it are the minority. I wouldn't say anyone who doesn't like it has a personal vendetta (unless they're the Edinburgh Tab :P), it's more that they were disappointed that there were no 'negative' reviews of St Andrews. Everyone walks around talking about how perfect it is, no one really talks about the downsides, whereas most other universities have a more balanced pros/cons discussion going on.

This, for example:
Original post by Emily141
I've yet to meet anyone who doesn't like it here! There are always the minority who did not visit the town/had unrealistic expectations about its nightlife

Contrary to ^ I did visit the town, didn't care about the nightlife… and yet I still hated StA. There are people who don't like it, they're just difficult to find, so it can be a shock to the system if you get there and realise "Oh… I really don't like it here…" And the people who cult worship the university are vicious towards those that talk about what they don't like (the Univ. of St Andrews: A Warning thread, for example).

Re: clubs and societies that someone else mentioned, I had a lot of difficulty getting involved in anything because I don't drink, so I didn't go to the socials that involved drinking games, pub crawls, etc. (so, all of them). Another thing that's overlooked - people always talk about the lack of nightlife, but no one warns you that the only way to be social in many cases is drinking to excess.

So yeah, TL;DR, most people love it, you probably will, but those that don't like it are underrepresented.
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I probably am a bit biased because I love it so much here, but I think your views are a little too, for example there are definitely ways to socialise without drinking!
Reply 15
Original post by Emily141
I probably am a bit biased because I love it so much here, but I think your views are a little too, for example there are definitely ways to socialise without drinking!


It's true there is a lot of drinking but of my two sons one drinks a ton and the other is teetotal, and both have been incredibly happy there. Teetotal son made loads of friends mainly through societies, and the other mainly through halls and sport. And pretty much all universities in UK have a big drinking culture, so it's not like St Andrews is any way an outlier in that respect.

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