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Going to University has become absolutely pointless.

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Original post by High Stakes
Haha no.

I'd rather be educated and poor than uneducated and earning a moderately comfortable living. Having the resources of a university to help satisfy my hunger for knowledge and understand the world better trumps any cosy idea of having a nice life working as a trainee at some company that doesn't give a chit about you.

It's pathetic when people start to only see university as a means to an end for employment. What happened to the pursuit of betterment?

hahaha, this is easily the biggest lie I've read on this forum. Getting an upper class tory vibe from you as well.
Original post by amyc123
No, you don't need a degree to do that. But that is a very outdated view of the role of the registered nurse and views like this are the reason that nursing is one of the most 'controversial' degrees. These days nurses are responsible for a lot more than just bedpans and bums. Nurses need a lot more knowledge than they did in the 1950s, the university education provides that and the knowledge is consolidated on placements.


Please expand; what additional knowledge and duties are modern day nurses required to do?
Original post by PrinceOfOrange
hahaha, this is easily the biggest lie I've read on this forum. Getting an upper class tory vibe from you as well.


It's sad that you'd think I'm lying haha.
Reply 63
Original post by Studentus-anonymous


****ed if you do, ****ed if you don;t. Maybe people should lower their career ambitions so the rich can enjoy their bloated riches while the rest of us make do with less?

Aye sounds like a plan.


The worst thing is our government(s) are too dumb to actually use money to invest in creating (real) jobs and reducing red tape. We need to build hospitals, schools, parks, railways. You know, real infrastructure, not useless bits of paper.
Original post by whorace
No offence but this isn't even justified sarcasm, this is exactly what I did. What do you even mean by advanced philosophy? Analytic philosophy? I learned analytic philosophy by myself in a library (yes I even did the logic) I went to University after and my teachers said I understood it perfectly.


I'm fairly skeptical to say the least. Plus analytic philosophy is only one part of Philosophy.

I have yet to see any autodidact of any field contribute something that has helped progress or shape their field in the past 20-30 years.

I'm not undermining what you've done. It is surely impressive. But if I had two people of equal ability and placed one in a library and the other in a university which consists of lecturers, one-to-one contact hours and a university library. I am confident on who will thrive and become a greater student of their discipline.
Reply 65
Original post by High Stakes
I'm fairly skeptical to say the least. Plus analytic philosophy is only one part of Philosophy.

I have yet to see any autodidact of any field contribute something that has helped progress or shape their field in the past 20-30 years.

I'm not undermining what you've done. It is surely impressive. But if I had two people of equal ability and placed one in a library and the other in a university which consists of lecturers, one-to-one contact hours and a university library. I am confident on who will thrive and become a greater student of their discipline.


It was bloody difficult at first, I was only 16 and did very badly in my GCSE and decided I was tired of being treated like a pushover and wanted to make something of myself. I started by picking up a random book in the philosophy section, read a section about Cartesian philosophy and could not appreciate the relevance or ideas, I quickly learned by pouring into it for hours. It's given me a far greater appreciation of art then any university could.
Universities do not offer international students funding or scholarships and if they do, its very limited. Where did you get this from? And they all have to go back home after finishing their degrees. Getting sponsored for a work visa is harder than winning the lottery these days.
Original post by High Stakes
It's sad that you'd think I'm lying haha.
You're either lying or are massively deluded, the assumption you're lying is a lot more flattering.
Reply 68
Giving medications - does it counteract with another medication, is the dose prescribed correct, does the patient's condition indicate that this medication should be omitted, etc.

Deterioration - is the patient becoming more unwell, what might be happening to make them deteriorate, what needs to be done immediately, when does a doctor (and what grade) need to be involved, do Critical Care nurses need to see the patient, etc.

Research - how can we ensure evidence based practice, the need to critically analyse the research out there to inform future practice, how to develop the profession as a whole

I could go on, the point is that the general public know very little of the modern day nursing role, and it's extremely frustrating.
As an international applicant, I don't know where you saw that. British students are still considered first for scholarships. The scholarships given to foreign students were usually created by philanthropists (like the Rhodes scheme). The British taxpayer doesn't pay a single penny for these schemes.


I've come across many. See here: http://www.ed.ac.uk/student-funding/postgraduate/international/global

Original post by Josb

So if STEM degrees are considered vocational, Law and Business should also be added to the list. All of these represent the majority of graduates.

OP would have been more credible if he had clearly pointed right at the beginning that his problem was with Arts and Humanities degrees.


Can you stop speaking to me as if I'm not here?

Law, almost universally yes. Business, potentially not. Depends on the programme. The definition afforded previously stands, in my view. If it's geared around an area of employment, rather than a discipline in an of itself (i.e., an MBA could be discipline focused, in my view), then it's vocational.
Original post by PrinceOfOrange
You're either lying or are massively deluded, the assumption you're lying is a lot more flattering.


I think you're just an overall bitter person. Maybe it's a shock to your system that there are other people out there who hold a different opinion to you? :smile: Instead of calling me a liar on such a subjective topic, let's do the grown up thing and agree to disagree.

I mean, seriously? Making wild assumptions about my family's income, my political views and calling me a liar for saying that I highly value the idea of being educated.

:biggrin: Good luck in everything you do!
Original post by amyc123
Giving medications - does it counteract with another medication, is the dose prescribed correct, does the patient's condition indicate that this medication should be omitted, etc.

Deterioration - is the patient becoming more unwell, what might be happening to make them deteriorate, what needs to be done immediately, when does a doctor (and what grade) need to be involved, do Critical Care nurses need to see the patient, etc.

Research - how can we ensure evidence based practice, the need to critically analyse the research out there to inform future practice, how to develop the profession as a whole

I could go on, the point is that the general public know very little of the modern day nursing role, and it's extremely frustrating.


Fair enough; aside from the giving of medication I fail to see what cannot be developed on the job itself though tbh.
So you think that degrees in architecture, engineering, medicine and pharmacy should not exist?
Original post by High Stakes
I think you're just an overall bitter person. Maybe it's a shock to your system that there are other people out there who hold a different opinion to you? :smile: Instead of calling me a liar on such a subjective topic, let's do the grown up thing and agree to disagree.

I mean, seriously? Making wild assumptions about my family's income, my political views and calling me a liar for saying that I highly value the idea of being educated.

:biggrin: Good luck in everything you do!

If I was making wild assumptions it wouldn't have rattled you this easily, I've clearly hit a nerve. Why don't you drop your art degree and do something with your life instead of throwing stones at homeless people you tory scum.
Remember this thread, next time a doctor wants to send a sample off for testing. Make sure to request a biologist that doesn't have an undergrad or any postgrad degrees. Good luck finding one of us without at least one degree.
Original post by Smack
So you think that degrees in architecture, engineering, medicine and pharmacy should not exist?


Architecture and engineering require rather a lot of maths last time I checked and pharmacy and medicine both require an extensive and indepth knowledge of human biochemistry/ chemistry/ human biology and anatomy so I wouldn't really class them as vocational at all. You can't learn them on the job like you can with photography
Original post by PrinceOfOrange
If I was making wild assumptions it wouldn't have rattled you this easily, I've clearly hit a nerve. Why don't you drop your art degree and do something with your life instead of throwing stones at homeless people you tory scum.


Lmfao bro. If you actually had a clue you'd know i'm a STEM Overlord. And I have no interest in politics because I find it brain-numbing and boring. Not to mention I'm in year 13, not even started a degree. :biggrin:

Ouch yes, you did hurt a nerve. Oh my God. I've been exposed. You seem to think I'm some privileged white kid that goes to Eton when that's the opposite lmfao.

Btw I would have voted Labour if I was 18 last year anyway. Poor Miliband. :frown:

Bye! :smile:
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You appear to have no idea of what a vocational degree is.
Reply 78
Original post by TheCitizenAct
They're infantile, naive, idealistic, unskilled, lacking in socialisation (from their extended stay in adolescence) and a drain on any corporation, institution or organisation, at least for the first few years, during which they need to be 'deconstructed.'


@TheCitizenAct

You have to remember the main thing.

University is a 3/4 year holiday to avoid your family and your dark secrets and is about getting high and being drunk every single day. I'm paying £33,000 but hey if it helps me avoid my family and my real life then i'm happy.
Original post by EconObsessed
Universities do not offer international students funding or scholarships and if they do, its very limited. Where did you get this from? And they all have to go back home after finishing their degrees. Getting sponsored for a work visa is harder than winning the lottery these days.


Again, as above, there are tons of them. Just browse through their websites. Here's a selection from Glasgow: http://www.kic.org.uk/glasgow/tuition-fees/scholarships/ (no idea why it's on that domain).

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