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The vast majority of 'intelligent' right-wing people I know are right-wing because they understand very little economics, and believe that economic theory necessarily points to right-wing politics. The truly intelligent ones are right-wing because they have developed a coherent theory of natural rights, or because they understand economics very very very well and have come to an informed judgment about economic theory.

Of course, you then have the ignorant right-wingers who, rather than engage in mutual support with others in their position, would rather shout at the scapegoat in their head.
Original post by TheCitizenAct
It's the biggest political fallacy of our time that 'left-wing' is conflated with 'caring.' The left supported fascism all throughout the 20's and 30's. In the US, the left established the KKK, and voted against the abolishment of slavery.

'Caring' precipitated the banking crisis by offering loans to under qualified borrowers. The left's altruism is synonymous with many, many negative qualities, including prioritising their own group ahead of all others, even in light of rational observation, even when it happens to run contrary to any conceptualisation of individual liberty.

Left-wing economic models are fundamentally, unequivocally dehumanising. They determine individuals aren't individuals, but categories - he or she is the product of the state, as are his or her economic outcomes. That's NOT moral, that's not even sensible.

Every left-wing policy - well, to be accurate, left-wing and progressive policy - is orientated around the group, greater centralisation of power and control. They argue nothing other than imagined identities - 'black', 'white', 'homosexual', 'male', 'female', and see you as nothing more than your imagined or perceived identity.

Every safe space, near every restriction on freedom of speech originating from a university, comes from a progressive - don't have a uterus? You aren't qualified to talk abortion. Opposed to immigration? You conflict with our feelings - you're banned.

They complain incessantly about the expenses scandal, or HoL reform, yet all they ever argue is for more power to be centralised in fewer hands. The EU is the best example of progressive tyrannical rule, with little democratic accountability.


What you're saying doesn't describe left-wingers. Things have moved on in the last century, most want more individual freedoms, more freedom to speak and organise as you wish (even if that's as part of a union), and oppose the EU.
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Original post by Saoirse:3
What you're saying doesn't describe left-wingers. Things have moved on in the last century, most want more individual freedoms, more freedom to speak and organise as you wish (even if that's as part of a union), and oppose the EU.


Not in my experience, I see this every single day. And 'most' is outright conjecture, you clearly haven't visited a Guardian comments section lately. It's a totalitarian's wet dream.

Group before individual, it's incessant. As is the pathological, naive, simplistic altruism, and self-proclaimed moral superiority. It's nauseating.

I could sit and cite 1,000 examples, but what would be the point? The common response would be: not all 'insert group' are like that. Which would defy every experience I've ever had.
Original post by yasaminO_o
Sell your soul to Satan and buy a suit from Savile Row

Instructions not clear, sold my soul, ended up as Satan's bitch.
Original post by scrotgrot
They are more left-wing than the UK political culture and the balance of the major newspapers. Essentially, they are organs of the economic technocracy. They are centrist.


Major newspapers? those 30p pieces of tat? lol.
Original post by Bill_Gates
How do you become more right wing?

Just wondering. I fit the character of someone who should be right wing but i just can't get with the idea, i care too much about others.

Any ideas?

Bill.


People are always surprised when they find out I vote Conservative. I work for the NHS and am extremely passionate about it, and I have volunteered with numerous charities since I started uni (so since 2011). For me it's simply down to the fact that Labour cannot run the country financially, and they would be prepared to allow systems that are too open to abuse for me to vote for them. I don't feel that Labour would help those who are working and their immigration policies are ridiculous. For me at least it doesn't ever come down to not caring about people, I hate that there will be poor and disabled people suffering from the Tories' cuts, but I have never been convinced that Labour will be able to take government without running our economy into the ground so I can't vote for them

[e] Also if you need any reason to turn to the right from the left - Diane Abbott. How anyone can vote for a party that takes that woman seriously I cannot fathom.
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abandon all hope ye who enter here

no serious, abandon all hope that humans can be saved

humans are monsters, and should be dealt as such, look out for yourself and that special someone, every else can go get shot
Original post by BobbyFlay
Instructions not clear, sold my soul, ended up as Satan's bitch.


you're basically a Tory now so it worked alright
Original post by TheDefiniteArticle
The vast majority of 'intelligent' right-wing people I know are right-wing because they understand very little economics, and believe that economic theory necessarily points to right-wing politics.


Ah, the other central tenet of left-wing activism: moral superiority, an ability to understand everything everyone else thinks and feels and incessant condescension. On display for all to see.

We can add cultural elitism - while advocating economic collectivism - into the mix, too. Then there's the perpetual adversary complex, where solutions are irrelevant in the face of an opportunity to express self-righteous indignation.

Never mind the fact, as far as the modern left is concerned, the working class is now 'bigoted' by default. Champagne socialists, springs to mind.
Seemingly ****ing a pig will get you leadership of a right wing party, why not try that?
Original post by Bill_Gates
Major newspapers? those 30p pieces of tat? lol.


Dat circulation tho
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Original post by infairverona
People are always surprised when they find out I vote Conservative. I work for the NHS and am extremely passionate about it, and I have volunteered with numerous charities since I started uni (so since 2011). For me it's simply down to the fact that Labour cannot run the country financially, and they would be prepared to allow systems that are too open to abuse for me to vote for them. I don't feel that Labour would help those who are working and their immigration policies are ridiculous. For me at least it doesn't ever come down to not caring about people, I hate that there will be poor and disabled people suffering from the Tories' cuts, but I have never been convinced that Labour will be able to take government without running our economy into the ground so I can't vote for them

[e] Also if you need any reason to turn to the right from the left - Diane Abbott. How anyone can vote for a party that takes that woman seriously I cannot fathom.


Can't stand Labour and the current Marxist idiots in power but the financial crisis was caused by banks in the US and it was due to lack of regulation continued by Blair under the previous Major government (actually I think the economy would have been hit worse if it hadn't been for Blair's early bank policies which are completely consistent with Thatcherite principles). Brown nationalising the banks actually was a very competent decision, as was his plans for a public works programme.
The NHS was in a very good state under Blair and Brown in early years.

Conservatives are supposed to be financially literate, and yet they support decreasing national expenditure by cutting jobs unnecessarily at a time when that expenditure should be used to push for full employment and build widespread infrastructure.
Original post by TheCitizenAct
Ah, the other central tenet of left-wing activism: moral superiority, an ability to understand everything everyone else thinks and feels and incessant condescension. On display for all to see.

We can add cultural elitism - while advocating economic collectivism - into the mix, too. Then there's the perpetual adversary complex, where solutions are irrelevant in the face of an opportunity to express self-righteous indignation.

Never mind the fact, as far as the modern left is concerned, the working class is now 'bigoted' by default. Champagne socialists, springs to mind.


I'm a champagne socialist, what of it? And yes, much of the working class in this country is bigoted, but I struggle to see that as their fault (similar to high crime rates) - society has consistently failed the working class over a number of years.

As for the first point, you make yourself look ridiculous by quoting only the parts of my post where I discuss the thick right-wingers and ignoring the part where I discuss the intelligent ones. There are obviously both thick and intelligent left-wingers too. Neither has an intrinsically greater intelligence, and neither has provable moral superiority.
Original post by whorace
Can't stand Labour and the current Marxist idiots in power but the financial crisis was caused by banks in the US and it was due to lack of regulation continued by Blair under the previous Major government (actually I think the economy would have been hit worse if it hadn't been for Blair's early bank policies which are completely consistent with Thatcherite principles). Brown nationalising the banks actually was a very competent decision, as was his plans for a public works programme.

Conservatives are supposed to be financially literate, and yet they support decreasing national expenditure by cutting jobs unnecessarily at a time when that expenditure should be used to push for full employment and build widespread infrastructure.


The thing about Labour though is they want everything to be free for everyone and those who work the hardest in the middle are the ones paying through the nose for it all, I can't support that. It's the families who are just above or meeting the threshold getting taxed a lot who then struggle who suffer the most with these kinds of policies yet Labour claim to be the party for the working people. I'm not saying the Tories are perfect and I definitely do not agree with a lot of things they're doing lately (I don't feel like I can vote for them at the next election at the moment if I'm honest, but I have always supported them and am a fully paid up member...for now) but I just cannot take Labour seriously especially not with Corbyn heading them up
Original post by scrotgrot
You have to stop thinking.


if you're living under socialism, you let the government think for you (Y) if you live under capitalism whereby your own economic choices are directly proportional to your economic outcomes, then you *must* think, because nobody is going to think on your behalf.
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Original post by infairverona
The thing about Labour though is they want everything to be free for everyone and those who work the hardest in the middle are the ones paying through the nose for it all, I can't support that. It's the families who are just above or meeting the threshold getting taxed a lot who then struggle who suffer the most with these kinds of policies yet Labour claim to be the party for the working people. I'm not saying the Tories are perfect and I definitely do not agree with a lot of things they're doing lately (I don't feel like I can vote for them at the next election at the moment if I'm honest, but I have always supported them and am a fully paid up member...for now) but I just cannot take Labour seriously especially not with Corbyn heading them up


Corbyn is a clown and you are completely sane for being against his antagonistic and dogmatic policies.

About Labour's tax policy, the point of collective services is that they are in the interests of all classes, it doesn't really make sense for the middle classes to be struggling after taxes IF those taxes are used to pay for government services like railways, schools and medicine. I mean, if everything is free (as you say) what are they bothered about?
Original post by TheDefiniteArticle
I'm a champagne socialist, what of it? And yes, much of the working class in this country is bigoted, but I struggle to see that as their fault (similar to high crime rates) - society has consistently failed the working class over a number of years.

As for the first point, you make yourself look ridiculous by quoting only the parts of my post where I discuss the thick right-wingers and ignoring the part where I discuss the intelligent ones. There are obviously both thick and intelligent left-wingers too. Neither has an intrinsically greater intelligence, and neither has provable moral superiority.


No, the Labour Party, the party I used to vote for, has consistently failed the working classes over a number of decades. It happened around about the time they introduced the Third Way and deemed identity should become the new proxy for the class war. The same bull****, 'everyone's a winner and a loser' philosophy underpins the modern EU.

The outcome is the politically correct hell hole we find ourselves in today, where everything working class is derided and marginalised under a tidal wave of social engineering and globalism.
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Original post by sleepysnooze
if you're living under socialism, you let the government think for you (Y) if you live under capitalism whereby your own economic choices are directly proportional to your economic outcomes, then you *must* think, because nobody is going to think on your behalf.


This is very true, in socialism the government provides employment programmes which can take care of you, capitalism provides no safety net, this is not a strength of capitalism, it is an example of its predatory nature.
Original post by TheCitizenAct
No, the Labour Party, the party I used to vote for, has consistently failed the working classes over a number of decades. It happened around about the time they introduced the Third Way and deemed identity should become the new proxy for the class war. The same bull****, 'everyone's a winner and a loser' philosophy underpins the modern EU.

The outcome is the politically correct hell hole we find ourselves in today, where everything working class is derided and marginalised under a tidal wave of social engineering and globalism.


I'm not going to disagree that the Labour Party has failed the working classes, but that has been through economic centrism and dilution of principles.

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