Feminism Challange-Guys: Why are you not feminists?

Do not reference feminists because it's irrelevant.
Let's say for the sake of this thread that the doctrine of feminism is about establishing equal social, economic, cultural and personal rights for both men and women.

This means men and women should be paid for the same job for example.

Why exactly are you against this concept? I challenge you to respond without using "feminists" in your argument because ideologies can get warped by people as we've seen throughout humankind.

I'm playing devil's advocate, I wouldn't identify as a feminist but I want to see the reasons guys in particular give for not identifying as one.

The amount of women who lose their jobs because they're pregnant or are discriminated agaisnt in the work place I don't get why people can disagree with womens rights? Feminism like all ideologies has it's problems but at it's core it's a good idea, equality is a good idea.
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No one is opposed to feminism because they want equality between men and women, people are opposed to feminism because they are pushing for female superiority or just completely ignoring male issues altogether.

Your question is bull**** because a tiny amount of people actually think men and woman shouldn't have equal opportunities in life in the western world.

No one is opposed to feminism because they want equality between men and women, people are opposed to feminism because they are pushing for female superiority or just completely ignoring male issues altogether.

Your question is bull**** because a tiny amount of people actually think men and woman shouldn't have equal opportunities in life in the western world.

What about the fact that alot of men do not get paternity leave. And if they do its far inferior to materniry leave?

I'm sorry my question is not bull thanks. It's a genuine question no need to be rude. Actually it's not a tiny amount of people watch reggie yates extreme uk men at war, it's interesting and shows that many men actually feel women shouldn't have equal opportunities.

It is Bull actually since your question doesn't describe modern day feminism and instead describes egalitarianism, which modern feminism certainly isn't.

I watched his show, it was full of audio jump cuts and misrepresentations.

You question misrepresents what people actually dislike about feminism, which is the extreme cultural Marxism which it now represents, excluding those people who are perhaps part of the PUA or right wing religions most people want women to have equal opportunities and be equal to men under the law.

Why are you being rude if you disagree fine but saying oh that's "bull" is intolerant so stop. Equalitarianism or egalitarianism is exactly what feminism is I am not confused between the two. Instead of calling me ignorant do some research. Yes feminism has changed evolved but the core principles are exacty the same as equalitarianism.

Preach👏👏👏👏 the pay gap is true don't be ignorant.

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it does not matter what feminism "now" represents ideas adapt evolve change but I stand by women should be equal to men and vice versa which is what feminism is and so is equalitarianism-this is feminism for people who don't what to be associated with people who give feminism a bad name in my opinion i see no difference between the core principles of the ideologies.

I don't care if your offended.

Stop avoiding the issue that your question fails to address the actual problems people have with modern day feminism, shout "we believe in equality" all you want, but feminist actions tell a different story. your quesiton is basically saying "give me a reason to oppose *ideology*, but you can't bring up the problems with *ideology*" the fact that feminism is an ideology means that it can and is being abused by those who lead it. Most people follow an ideology via belief and not via facts, the only way a true equal society will come about is when people look at the facts and stop following bull like feminism, Islam, Christianity and other such dumb and harmful faiths.

If feminism is egalitarian then why call yourself a feminism when egalitarian describes much better what your about?

By supporting a corrupted ideology you give it power and you give it's leaders power to influence laws, if the leaders are corrupt you are therefore supporting a corrupt organization.

I don't care if your offended.

Stop avoiding the issue that your question fails to address the actual problems people have with modern day feminism, shout "we believe in equality" all you want, but feminist actions tell a different story. your quesiton is basically saying "give me a reason to oppose *ideology*, but you can't bring up the problems with *ideology*" the fact that feminism is an ideology means that it can and is being abused by those who lead it. Most people follow an ideology via belief and not via facts, the only way a true equal society will come about is when people look at the facts and stop following bull like feminism, Islam, Christianity and other such dumb and harmful faiths.

If feminism is egalitarian then why call yourself a feminism when egalitarian describes much better what your about?

By supporting a corrupted ideology you give it power and you give it's leaders power to influence laws, if the leaders are corrupt you are therefore supporting a corrupt organization.

My gf hates feminism cus its killed chivalry and men cant do nice things for women anymore.

What about the fact that alot of men do not get paternity leave. And if they do its far inferior to materniry leave?

No one is opposed to feminism because they want equality between men and women, people are opposed to feminism because they are pushing for female superiority or just completely ignoring male issues altogether.

Your question is bull**** because a tiny amount of people actually think men and woman shouldn't have equal opportunities in life in the western world.

Yes, there are no differences in the core principles of equalitarianism/egalitarianism and feminism but the movements are more than just their core principles.

I'm completely fine with people identifying as whatever label they want tbh, I just care about the principles they stand by, but if you're going to associate with a label you are choosing to associate with the social context of the label as well and you need to be aware of that.

Do not reference feminists because it's irrelevant.
Let's say for the sake of this thread that the doctrine of feminism is about establishing equal social, economic, cultural and personal rights for both men and women.

This means men and women should be paid for the same job for example.

Why exactly are you against this concept? I challenge you to respond without using "feminists" in your argument because ideologies can get warped by people as we've seen throughout humankind.

I'm playing devil's advocate, I wouldn't identify as a feminist but I want to see the reasons guys in particular give for not identifying as one.

I have two sides to this. I believe that women shouldn't get equality unless they do the same job, the same hours and the same treatment regarding the job. Women in Wimbledon want the same amount of prize money as men but they have less sets therefore in that regard i am not feminist.

I do however believe that if a woman beats a man then she should get the same treatment as men when being charged yet this is never the case. He may fight back and then she becomes the victim. In this sense i am a feminist.

A train will hit a man and a woman. Both same age, same jobs and of same social class. You can only save one of them - who would it be? I asked this in a group chat on fb and bc of social convention they all chose the woman. Who would you pick?

Men and equal will never be equal in social convention. I am saying this as fact of politics and civil and criminal law. As a person aside of politics i hope that both men and women will be seen as equal sexes socially, professionally and legally.