Shooting in Tel Aviv.

The ones that don't kill Palestinian civilians?

But it's ok for Palestinians to kill Israeli covilians?

Do the Palestinians think of themselves, and boast about themselves being, "civilized"?

So you're saying it's ok for palestiniAns to target Israeli citizens?

Murdering civilians is the trait of an uncivilized person and/or state. Something that Israel claims not to be, yet they seem eager to do just that.

That's just not a point. No one is questioning it is the Israeli weapons that are causing damage. The issue being debated is why they are causing an abnormally high amount of damage. And as argued in my previous post, it is to do with Hamas trying to maximise civilian casualties through storing weapons in schools, hospitals and mosques as well as forcing civilians into the line of fire. All for the purpose of winning the propaganda war, gaining more foreign aid (Gaza receives the most foreign aid per capita of any region in the world) which ends up in the hands of its bloodthirsty leaders sitting comfortably in Qatar.
If you're going to make poor points, can you at least make them relevant?

Apologies for not fully clarifying my position. I think settlement expansion should be frozen, and thus it is implied it should not be encouraged or approved. Trying to make an argument for demolishing existing settlements is just pathetic, however. Whilst they should not have been built, one has to reluctantly accept they are there now in the knowledge that removing them would create far more problems than it would solve if peace is your end goal. Trying to make up for uprooting one set of people by uprooting another is not a sensible solution.

Speaking of things that are interesting to note, though, it is striking that you haven't responded to my point about barriers to peace besides the settlements. Would it be possible for you to go through them one by one and explain how they detract from peace less than the settlements?

Yes, something that the Israeli State does not wish to engage in. The 2014 Gaza ground incursion doesn't mean anything to you? And believe it or not, it did not result in fewer deaths that the air strikes.

However, as is the case with all states, their primary responsibility is the safety of their own citizens. Something I'm sure you'd expect of your government. So to expect the IDF to put Israeli lives at risk when there is no evidence it will save a substantial amount of lives on the other side is simply holding Israel to a double standard.

And I think I'll take Col Kemp's word for the IDF's morality above yours. You know, given his lifetime of military experience and vast knowledge of the conflict.

So you're saying it's ok for Palestinians to target Israeli civilians?

I'm saying that Israel exemplifies uncivilized traits, contrary to it's assertions that it is a civilized state.

If the Palestinians choose to target Israeli civilians, then they should be regarded as uncivilized. However, I don't think they have made the claim that they are "civilized".

So you're now saying that Palestinians are uncivilised?

In so far as they do not exemplify the traits of being civilized.

I believe someone (perhaps it was you?) made reference to them taking a **** inside holes in the ground, as opposed to having a bathroom.

I'm not defending, or offending any side.

Merely pointing out that if Palestinians wanted to reduce Palestinian casualties they'd stop firing unguided rockets into Israel in order to cause civilian casualties whilst setting up situations where they create civilian casualties on their own side.

You compared both sides, making points as to the civilized state of both people, referencing one as taking a crap in the streets and/or ground whilst the other used a functioning bathroom.

That was your measure of what constitutes "civilized".



A redundant and frankly, quite a stupid point.

"If there were no Israeli's in the Levant, there would be no Israeli casualties".


^See, an equally redundant point have I made.

So you're now saying that a country shouldn't exist?

I'm asserting that your points are both redundant and foolish.

Honestly, thinking people are civilized if they **** in bathrooms and massacre civilians.

I actually think the Palestinians are uncivilised for other reasons.

Thy are quite happy to let their own civilians get killed for propoganda purposes.

The crapping in a hole is prevelant through the whole of the ME.

Here's an interesting article for you to read though.

http://www.thenewatlantis.com/publications/why-the-arabic-world-turned-away-from-science

Indeed, it is a very interesting article but I feel as though it is viewing the situation through a biased prism, and making assumptions which are irrelevant, as well as promoting a certain view, although touched upon, does not explore it realistically or holistically.

That sounds like a complete non answer.

So you're quite happy for certain country's not to exist?

You expected me to take that article as gospel?



It's not about how many countries exist, but the path, direction and policy that they implement, which I concern myself with.

My thoughts and wishes are with Israel, they still stand strong even when those around them despise them out of spite