Can ISIS really be defeated in Iraq if Shia militias aren't dealt with first?

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ISIS will be defeated and another enemy will be presented to us for us to rally around and hate. You ignorant people will fall for it every time because you are completely dumbed down

>he thinks its a conspiracy

I'm not surprised

Reply 41

Feel Tha Bern

Original post by KimKallstrom

I'm actually struggling to decide which one of you two is the stupider.

In the red corner: "Assad din do nuffin"

In the blue corner: "The Jews did this"

It's like watching Harry and Lloyd argue in Dumb And Dumber

I **** you not, I have seen someone claim Assad is a Jew.

They were Sunni, lulz were had

Reply 42

AlifunArnab

'Iran-backed Shia militia says it will fight US Marines deployed to Iraq'

One of the deadliest Iranian-backed militias in Iraq has threatened to attack US troops deployed fighting the Islamic State (Isil) and "deal" with them as occupying forces.

The Asaib Ahl al-Haq militia, known as the League of the Righteous, issued the warning after it emerged the US has deployed several hundred marines to aid Iraqi forces as they try to retake Mosul.

The US and the Shia militia are in theory on the same side against Isil and the threat underscores the complex web of alliances and antagonism among the forces fighting the jihadist movement.

"If the US administration doesn't withdraw its forces immediately, we will deal with them as forces of occupation," the League said on its TV channel, al-Ahd.

"The forces of occupation are making a new suspicious attempt to restore their presence in the country under the pretext of fighting their own creation, Daesh," the group said, using another name for Isil.
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The Iranian-backed Shia militias are watched warily by the US in Iraq.

They have repeatedly proved themselves to be more reliable fighters against Isil than the Iraqi military, which collapsed in the face of a jihadist offensive two years ago.

However, many of them are loyal to Tehran before Baghdad and their violence against Iraqis Sunnis has helped inflame sectarian tensions in Iraq.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/12200172/Iran-backed-Shia-militia-says-it-will-fight-US-Marines-deployed-to-Iraq.html

Lol, the US funded them and helped them in pretty much every way and now they'll turn their weapons on them. They'll then turn those same weapons on the Sunni population, similar to what they've done before.

Reply 43

Ambitious1999

Original post by Wellzi

You're not biased at all are you?

Shia militias get my respect any day!

Unlike ISIS, Shia militias aren't bombing European cities, they have no plan on world domination.
Shia militias aren't murdering innocent holiday makers sunbathing on the beach or people visiting museums or rock concerts.

Shia militias are dealing with an evil death cult called ISIS that rapes and buries woman and children alive. Roasts people to death, beheads people with blunt knives. If Shia militias destroy the filthy rotten Daesh they get my full respect.

(edited 8 years ago)

Reply 44

AlifunArnab

'Civilian exodus begins as Iraqi forces close in on Mosul'

The 74-year-old man was detained, blindfolded and taken to an isolated house before being beaten.

Mizar Mohammed’s assailants were soldiers from the Iraqi Security Forces – the very people who are supposed to protect him. His only apparent crime in the eyes of these Shia soldiers was being a Sunni from an area that had spent two years under the rule of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isil).

“The Iraqi forces took my phone and money, they told me they were going to execute me,” he remembered. Mr Mohammed was able to escape with the help of a sympathetic soldier and travel eastwards to the Kurdish town of Makhmour.

As Iraqi forces advance towards Mosul, the largest city under Isil’s rule, thousands of people are already fleeing what is expected to become the biggest operation since the start of the counter-offensive against the terrorist movement.

Mr Mohammed joined the almost 2,000 people who have arrived in Makhmour from the area around Mosul, some 60 miles away. When Iraqi forces try to recapture the city itself, this trickle of displaced people is expected to become a flood.'

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/02/civilian-exodus-begins-as-iraqi-forces-close-in-on-mosul/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Reply 45

JezWeCan!

Original post by tsrisajoke

But he isn't. I've seen this posted so many times on here which shows the common ignorance people have of Islam and its denominations. While he may be an Alawite (which isnt shia) he is very close with the Sunnis. He prays like the Sunnis, his heads of religion in the country are mostly Sunnis, heck even his Army is mostly Sunnis and the Minister of Defense of Bashar's army is a Sunni.

Trying to get my head round the whole Iraq/Syria thing.

Here's my take:

There are a group of Muslims called Shia. They hate another group of Muslims called Sunnis because of some argument in the seventh century. And vice versa. The Sunni Muslims hate and despise the Shia Muslims.

Bashar the former dictator of Syria is trying to reclaim power to protect the interests of the Shia Muslims against the Sunni Muslims with the help of Iran a Shia Muslim country, and Hizbollah their client armed Shia Muslim militia.

Against Bashar are IS, and Al Q and other Sunni Muslim armed militias. They are trying to create a Sunni Muslim State and kill all the Shia Muslims.

Then you have another group of Sunni Muslims, the Kurds who are trying to create their own homeland, and fighting a Sunni Muslim State (with a secular recent past, but now more and more Sunni Islamic in its governance) who want to stop them creating one.

They are fighting each other and the Sunni Muslim Kurds are also fighting the Sunni Muslim Islamic State and the Shia Muslim former Syrian army and the Hizbollah, Shia Muslims.

Have I got it right so far?

Oh, and it is all the fault of the Christian Crusader West because of some line drawn in the sand by two old geezers, Sykes and Picot...

Reply 46

AlifunArnab

US-backed Shia militias now fighting US-backed Kurdish forces in Northern Iraq.

'Twenty-two fighters have been killed in ongoing clashes between Kurdish Peshmerga and Shiite militia members in northern Iraq, local security officials say, a development that complicates the fight against ISIS in the region.

Security officials said the latest clashes erupted Saturday night in Tuz Khurmatu amid increased tensions between Shiite militias and Peshmerga forces -- uneasy allies in the fight against ISIS, which calls itself the Islamic State -- in recent days.

Nine Kurdish fighters and 13 militia members were killed in the ongoing clashes, security officials said. Twenty people were wounded...'

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/24/middleeast/iraq-shiite-peshmerga-clashes/

Reply 47

Dodgypirate

ISIS needs to be dealt in a way where it is impossible for another similar group to form. Basically, we can't deal with them like we dealth with Al Qaeda (I'm aware they still exist of course).

Reply 48

AlifunArnab

Up to 900 refugees from Fallujah feared dead after being kidnapped by anti-Isis [Shia extremists] militia in Iraq

'Up to 900 men and boys who fled their homes near Isis’ former stronghold of Fallujah remain missing in Iraq after being abducted by a militia accused of torturing, shooting and beheading civilians.

The United Nations said captives who have since been freed by the paramilitary group reported a litany of war crimes and atrocities after they sought refuge from battles between Isis and Iraqi forces last month.

Those abducted had been among 8,000 civilians who fled the village of Saqlawiyah, north of Fallujah, as fighting intensified on 1 June.'
Rest of the article is here : http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/fallujah-isis-iraq-shia-militias-popular-mobilisation-battle-civilians-kidnapped-missing-massacred-a7121266.html

These are the so called 'saviours' of Iraq.

Reply 49

AlifunArnab

'Shia militia ‘kill 300 civilians near Fallujah’
'The United Nations has warned of “extremely distressing, credible reports” that Iraqi men and boys fleeing Fallujah had been tortured, and some killed, by forces supposedly liberating them from the Islamic State.

Iraqi forces are battling to retake the city, which is 30 miles west of Baghdad and was Isis’s first major conquest before its declaration of a caliphate in 2014. Tens of thousands of federal police officers, Iranian-backed militiamen, counter-terrorism squads and soldiers attacked the city from three sides supported by US-led coalition war planes.

Hundreds of civilians who have fled the fighting were released from temporary detention north…'

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/shia-militia-kill-300-civilians-near-fallujah-7l7nqnmvk

So called liberators of the Iraqi people killing those they claim to liberate.

Reply 50

AlifunArnab

Hundreds of pictures and videos of prisoners being beheaded, burnt alive and tortured are being widely distributed online by Iraqi Shia militias to intimidate opponents and drum up support, said a leading US security analyst.

A video appearing to show members of a Shia militia in Iraq hanging a man upside down and burning him alive attracted hundreds of thousands of views this weekend when it appeared on social media.

Philip Smyth of the Washington Institute said evidence pointed to the authenticity of the film, and that it was one of hundreds of videos distributed by the militias, rivalling footage distributed by Islamic State (Isis) for its brutality. IBTimes UK cannot independently establish the veracity of the video.

A video distributed earlier this year allegedly showed militia members roasting a man alive over an open pit, said Smyth. Another, which emerged in March,showed militia members shooting dead a child accused of being a supporter of IS, while photographs allegedly showed a Sunni civilian being beheaded.

"There are tons that have not even hit the mainstream," said Smyth. "There are videos that go up, there are photos that go up on official [Shia militia] Facebook pages of really nasty stuff."

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http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/isis-vs-shia-militia-iraq-atrocity-rivalry-sees-brutal-videos-torture-spread-online-1504255

Reply 51

Reformed

Original post by AlifunArnab

I'm simply pointing out that arming maniacs (Shia militias) to defeat other maniacs (ISIS) will AGAIN backfire and will not solve the underlying issues in Iraq.

indeed, simply arming shias to fight sunnis doesnt address the underlying issue, which is "1300 year -old islamic shia -sunni war" Th west cannot take ownership of this problem to sort out without conquering the entire islamic world, becoming the undisputed caliph and dictating terms of behaviour for all muslims. This si how islam operates and so no other intermediary option exists (n=hence why this war is the longest running in human history.
i dont believe anyone in the west ( or china / russia ) is trying to sort islams own sectarian problems - they are dealing in damage limitation to attempt to stop islamic sectarianism from setting the entire world alight.

Reply 52

99_Problems

So many sects in these religions. Why didn't God make these religious texts clearer so there would be no room for misinterpretation?

Reply 53

KimKallstrom

Original post by Reformed

PRSOM

Reply 54

AlifunArnab

Iraqi Shi'ite cleric tells followers to target U.S. troops fighting Islamic State

Powerful Shi'ite Muslim cleric Moqtada al-Sadr instructed his followers on Sunday to target U.S. troops deploying to Iraq as part of the military campaign against Islamic State.

U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter said on Monday the Pentagon would dispatch 560 additional troops to help Iraqi forces retake the northern city of Mosul in an offensive planned for later this year.

Sadr, who rose to prominence when his Mahdi Army battled U.S. troops after the 2003 invasion, posted the comments on his official website after a follower asked for his response to the announcement.

"They are a target for us," Sadr said, without offering details.

The Mahdi Army was disbanded in 2008, replaced by the Peace Brigades, which helped push back Islamic State from near Baghdad in 2014 under a government-run umbrella, and maintains a presence in the capital and several other cities.

Sadr, who commands the loyalty of tens of thousands of supporters, is also leading a protest movement that saw demonstrators storm Baghdad's heavily fortified Green Zone government district twice this year, hampering parliament for weeks.

The new troop deployment, which is expected to happen within weeks, would raise the number of U.S. forces in Iraq to around 4,650, far below the peak of about 170,000 reached during the nearly nine-year occupation.

Other Shi'ite militias, particularly those backed by Iran, have made similar pledges to attack U.S. soldiers in the past year, but the only casualties since American forces returned to Iraq to battle Islamic State two years ago have come at the hands of the Sunni militant group.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-iraq-usa-idUSKCN0ZX0XL?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Reuters%2FworldNews+%28Reuters+World+News%29

Reply 55

Muwahid-

Sectarian Shia militias enabled by the US are going to join the Iraqi army. Only now are the US allegedly concerned.

US concerned with Shia militia joining Iraqi army

The Iraqi government’s effort to integrate a Shia militia group in the country’s security forces is concerning as it might increase Iran’s influence with Baghdad, a US general said Wednesday.

“It will increase obviously Shia — potentially Iranian — influence over the government of Iraq and we have to be concerned about it,” the head of Central Command, Gen. Joseph Votel said during a panel discussion at the Foreign Policy Initiative, a neoconservative Washington-based think tank.

Iraq’s parliament passed a law last weekend that formally recognized controversial Iran-backed Shia militia group, Hashed Al Shaabi, as an “independent military entity” operating within the Iraqi Army.

Votel believes the nuclear deal inked between the world powers and Iran last year did not help change Tehran’s actions such as sponsoring terror groups and fueling sectarian conflicts.

“It is implemented appropriately but it addresses only one of our concerns,” he said of the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action.

Votel said since the deal, Iran has sponsored more than 100,000 Shia militias in conflicts, including in Yemen and Iraq.

“I would probably say there is a little bit of uptick,” he said.

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https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20161201-us-concerned-with-shia-militia-joining-iraqi-army/

Reply 56

Muwahid-

Iraq army, Shia militias execute Sunnis in east Mosul

Grim footage has emerged from eastern Mosul, supposedly “liberated” from Daesh control late last month,showing members of the Iraqi Security Forces (ISF) and men who appeared to be from the Shia-dominated Popular Mobilisation Forces (PMF) paramilitary organisation executing unarmed men in the streets.

The footage shows armed Shia militants, who are fighting under the banner of Iraq, dragging a bound and clearly terrified man through the streets. The militants are heard abusing the man, and can be clearly seen beating him as they drag him to his death.

The victim is then placed at gunpoint by two other unarmed men in front of a row of houses, before about a dozen Shia jihadists fighting with the PMF and Iraqi soldiers open fire and gun them down in cold blood.

Even after the men have been shot and are clearly dead, the Iraqi soldiers and Shia militants continue to taunt and curse them, and occasionally other soldiers would walk over to the dead men and beginning firing at their corpses at point blank range. They would also stamp on the heads of the unarmed men, which is a deep sign of disrespect in Arab culture.

“Sadly, we have become accustomed to seeing such violence against people who are likely civilians,” Ahmad Al-Mahmoud, an analyst with the London-based Iraq monitoring group Foreign Relations Bureau of Iraq (FRB), told MEMO. “Even if they are ISIS, they should be tried in transparent and just courts, not shot dead in the middle of the street,” Al-Mahmoud said, using another acronym for the Daesh extremist organisation.

“What separates the Iraqi government from them [Daesh] if they are killing people in the streets?”

Extremist Shia militants fighting within the ISF or as part of the PMF, sanctioned by Baghdad and accepted as a formal branch of the Iraqi military last year, frequently justify their field executions by stating that the men they kill are Daesh militants. It is unclear if the unarmed men in the video are civilians or Daesh militants. However, under international law, it is a war crime to put people to death without properly conducted due process. As these men formally fight under the authority of the Iraqi government, this could mean that Iraq has violated international human rights law and could be found guilty of crimes against humanity and war crimes.

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https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20170208-iraq-army-shia-militias-execute-sunnis-in-east-mosul/

Reply 57

Muwahid-

Go through this thread to understand why I laugh when people talk about a shia genocide. Remember this is only in one country and it happens in Iran too, as well as Syria.

I'm not saying (and I've never said) that shia aren't targeted in Iraq also, but it's definitely not a case of "pray for those poor shia folk who are defenceless".

@l'etranger

@SinsNotTragedies

Reply 58

wonderuss

Original post by mkap

I completely agree with you. Bashar and the Shia militants are partially responsible for the rise of ISIS. They are cold blooded murderers.

Lol this is the dumbest thing I've read all day. You have no clue what you're talking about. Just another person brainwashed by mainstream medias' lies.

Reply 59

wonderuss

Original post by The meal

There is no proof of that but western propaganda.

You were probably on the band wagon when Blair said Saddam had Nuclear weapons or when Cameron said we should arm the 'rebels' (aka terrorists).

Shut up and get back to your cave

There is no evidence but the word of terrorists who call themselves rebels and ISIS.

May Assad and Putin kill every last (EVERY LAST) terrorist who calls them-self a rebel and then proceed on to killing every last ISIS terrorist. Revenge will be served.