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Hi I'm really stuck on this particular question:

Evaluate exactly the integral:

Integral sign with limits 2pi/3 and pi, then the expression is 1/2sin(theta-(pi/3)).
I'm thinking of converting it into a log expression like ln 2sin(theta-(pi/3)) ???

Would appreciate some help please!

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Original post by jordanwu
Hi I'm really stuck on this particular question:

Evaluate exactly the integral:

Integral sign with limits 2pi/3 and pi, then the expression is 1/2sin(theta-(pi/3)).
I'm thinking of converting it into a log expression like ln 2sin(theta-(pi/3)) ???

Would appreciate some help please!


The derivative of things like sin(x-pi/2), you just need to apply the chain rule and you get cos(x-pi/2).

Does that help you with your integral? :smile:
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Hi I don't see how differentiating can help with the integral :/ I know 2sin(theta-(pi/3)) differentiates to 2cos(theta-(pi/3)) but can't see what to do next..
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Original post by SeanFM
The derivative of things like sin(x-pi/2), you just need to apply the chain rule and you get cos(x-pi/2).

Does that help you with your integral? :smile:


Hi I don't see how differentiating can help with the integral :/ I know 2sin(theta-(pi/3)) differentiates to 2cos(theta-(pi/3)) but can't see what to do next..
Original post by jordanwu
Hi I don't see how differentiating can help with the integral :/ I know 2sin(theta-(pi/3)) differentiates to 2cos(theta-(pi/3)) but can't see what to do next..


Differentiating and integrating are the reverse of eachother. It's supposed to be an indirect hint. :smile:

Using what you've just said, what do you think (1/2) * sin(theta-(pi/3)) integrates to?
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Original post by SeanFM
Differentiating and integrating are the reverse of eachother. It's supposed to be an indirect hint. :smile:

Using what you've just said, what do you think (1/2) * sin(theta-(pi/3)) integrates to?


1/2 * (-cos(theta-(pi/3))?? Sin integrates to -cos right?
Original post by jordanwu
1/2 * (-cos(theta-(pi/3))?? Sin integrates to -cos right?


Yes, well done.
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Original post by SeanFM
Yes, well done.


So I just sub in the limits into that, simplify then I'm done?
Original post by jordanwu
So I just sub in the limits into that, simplify then I'm done?


You've got your expression for the integral so I don't see why not :tongue:
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Original post by SeanFM
You've got your expression for the integral so I don't see why not :tongue:


Ok thanks for the help, much appreciated :smile:
Original post by jordanwu
Ok thanks for the help, much appreciated :smile:


No worries.
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Original post by SeanFM
No worries.


Hey sorry to bother you again but can 1/2 be taken out of the integral sign? As the expression is 1/(2*sin(theta-(pi/3)))
Original post by jordanwu
Hey sorry to bother you again but can 1/2 be taken out of the integral sign? As the expression is 1/(2*sin(theta-(pi/3)))


Ah, it is a case of ambiguous equations then :tongue: it wasn't clear that 1/2sin(theta-(pi/3)) is 1/(2*sin(theta-(pi/3)).

1/2 can be taken out to give (1/2) * the integral of (1/(sin(theta-(pi/3)))).

What would that integral be?
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Original post by SeanFM
Ah, it is a case of ambiguous equations then :tongue: it wasn't clear that 1/2sin(theta-(pi/3)) is 1/(2*sin(theta-(pi/3)).

1/2 can be taken out to give (1/2) * the integral of (1/(sin(theta-(pi/3)))).

What would that integral be?


Isn't it ln when you've integrating 1/something?
Reply 14
Original post by SeanFM
Ah, it is a case of ambiguous equations then :tongue: it wasn't clear that 1/2sin(theta-(pi/3)) is 1/(2*sin(theta-(pi/3)).

1/2 can be taken out to give (1/2) * the integral of (1/(sin(theta-(pi/3)))).

What would that integral be?


Or would it be 1/2 * (cos(theta-(pi/3))?
Original post by jordanwu
Isn't it ln when you've integrating 1/something?


That is what it seems like you are integrating, but it is unclear.

Please use latex if you can, or post a picture of the question, or type it out in a more understandable way :redface: as I do not know what the question is.
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Original post by SeanFM
That is what it seems like you are integrating, but it is unclear.

Please use latex if you can, or post a picture of the question, or type it out in a more understandable way :redface: as I do not know what the question is.


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Original post by jordanwu
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Great :borat:

So yes, you can take the half outside of the integral and that leaves you with (1/sin(...)). What's the integral of that? :h:
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Original post by jordanwu
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Original post by jordanwu
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You can write that as 122π/3πcosec(θπ3)dθ\displaystyle \frac{1}{2} \int_{2\pi/3}^{\pi} \text{cosec}{\left(\theta - \frac{\pi}{3}\right)} \, \mathrm{d}\theta and then look in your formula book for what cosec x integrates to.

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