Is Jeremy Corbyn a good leader of the Labour Party?
Just wanna open a discussion here. I'll throw in my opinion to start off -
I believe that after the Miliband years, Labour definitely needed some TLC. It had become unelectable, untrustworthy, and simply out of touch with the concerns of the people. Was Corbyn the answer to these issues? Not really, in fact he's made them even worse.
Corbyn has repeatedly given statements and opinions which have only furthered harmed the Labour party, and have only further distanced the party from the opinions of the electorate; this is further worsened when considering that these views often don't align with the general consensus of the Labour party, which, alongside his very clumsy reshuffle of his Shadow Cabinet, only further adds to the disunity he has brought to the party.
Take his opinion on the Falkland Islands for example - 99.8% of the Falkland's population wished to stay with the UK in a recent referendum, yet he wants to 'power-share' the islands with Argentina? What? Has he no concern for what the actual citizens of the islands think? Then there's his views on Trident - I know nuclear weapons is a controversial issue, but to suggest that removing scrapping the warheads and merely having the submarines as a 'deterrent' is laughable from any angle of the argument.
But what do I know. What do you think?
I believe that after the Miliband years, Labour definitely needed some TLC. It had become unelectable, untrustworthy, and simply out of touch with the concerns of the people. Was Corbyn the answer to these issues? Not really, in fact he's made them even worse.
Corbyn has repeatedly given statements and opinions which have only furthered harmed the Labour party, and have only further distanced the party from the opinions of the electorate; this is further worsened when considering that these views often don't align with the general consensus of the Labour party, which, alongside his very clumsy reshuffle of his Shadow Cabinet, only further adds to the disunity he has brought to the party.
Take his opinion on the Falkland Islands for example - 99.8% of the Falkland's population wished to stay with the UK in a recent referendum, yet he wants to 'power-share' the islands with Argentina? What? Has he no concern for what the actual citizens of the islands think? Then there's his views on Trident - I know nuclear weapons is a controversial issue, but to suggest that removing scrapping the warheads and merely having the submarines as a 'deterrent' is laughable from any angle of the argument.
But what do I know. What do you think?
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Original post by LennyBicknel
Just wanna open a discussion here. I'll throw in my opinion to start off -
I believe that after the Miliband years, Labour definitely needed some TLC. It had become unelectable, untrustworthy, and simply out of touch with the concerns of the people. Was Corbyn the answer to these issues? Not really, in fact he's made them even worse.
Corbyn has repeatedly given statements and opinions which have only furthered harmed the Labour party, and have only further distanced the party from the opinions of the electorate; this is further worsened when considering that these views often don't align with the general consensus of the Labour party, which, alongside his very clumsy reshuffle of his Shadow Cabinet, only further adds to the disunity he has brought to the party.
Take his opinion on the Falkland Islands for example - 99.8% of the Falkland's population wished to stay with the UK in a recent referendum, yet he wants to 'power-share' the islands with Argentina? What? Has he no concern for what the actual citizens of the islands think? Then there's his views on Trident - I know nuclear weapons is a controversial issue, but to suggest that removing scrapping the warheads and merely having the submarines as a 'deterrent' is laughable from any angle of the argument.
But what do I know. What do you think?
I believe that after the Miliband years, Labour definitely needed some TLC. It had become unelectable, untrustworthy, and simply out of touch with the concerns of the people. Was Corbyn the answer to these issues? Not really, in fact he's made them even worse.
Corbyn has repeatedly given statements and opinions which have only furthered harmed the Labour party, and have only further distanced the party from the opinions of the electorate; this is further worsened when considering that these views often don't align with the general consensus of the Labour party, which, alongside his very clumsy reshuffle of his Shadow Cabinet, only further adds to the disunity he has brought to the party.
Take his opinion on the Falkland Islands for example - 99.8% of the Falkland's population wished to stay with the UK in a recent referendum, yet he wants to 'power-share' the islands with Argentina? What? Has he no concern for what the actual citizens of the islands think? Then there's his views on Trident - I know nuclear weapons is a controversial issue, but to suggest that removing scrapping the warheads and merely having the submarines as a 'deterrent' is laughable from any angle of the argument.
But what do I know. What do you think?
No Sadly i think he is a useless leader. The thing he needs to understand are that is economic policies are as Tony Blair described Alice in Wonderland policies- which would not work in real life. His defence policies terrify me he wants to scrap trident and what happens if someone wants to go to war with us, we simply have nothing to defend ourselves with . This itself is frightening to think of and this is because the tories have reduced the size of our army personnel .He is so thick and out of touch with the average UK voter. I'm a Labour voter but I'm probably not going to vote at all if Corbyn is still leader in the 2020 Election.
This is about where i think the average voter is
Thats about where Jeremy Corbyn is
No he's a deluded communist who is too busy with continuing his angst fuelled resistance against the man. Also his economic policy is laughable at the best of times
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He's anti-establishment so anyone whos pro establishment will hate him. There is a reason the media is carrying out a vicious campaign against him. Both him and bernie sanders are too radical for countries that thrive on capitalism. I dont see nothing wrong in about 80% of corbyns policies and I truly belive that England will only prosper under him. He is a leader of the people
He's absolutely right to highlight the need to address economic inequalities; things like executive pay gone through the roof, low wage growth, housing needs a radicial rethink - basically a lot of issues that are effecting people starting off in life. There's a massive generational inequality that needs to be addressed.
I just don't know why he thinks there's support for a huge influx of Syrians. And nobody cares about the falklands.
I just don't know why he thinks there's support for a huge influx of Syrians. And nobody cares about the falklands.
He cares about the people of this country more than the Tories ever could, it's so easy to get sucked in to stereotypes and thoughtless insults but he is a man who'll flourish to the surprise of many. I think this campaign against him is hilarious, the media (which is almost entirely right-wing) has most people in this country between their fingers.
He can't do any worse than Cameron; that's for true.
He can't do any worse than Cameron; that's for true.
He's a breath of fresh air for British politics and he's doing something that is relatively rare- actually representing people's views. He understands the realities of many situations and is a big proponent of reducing inequality which is important not just for the poor but for all of us- the situation is unsustainable.
Even if he doesn't get elected, his legacy is that he's engaging more people with political issues and that is vital for democracy.
He also seems like the kind of guy with true morals and wouldn't take being elected as his work done for 5 years, and would work to honour his ideology and policies that got him there in the first place. The trouble with our current so called democracy is that yes, the Torys were voted in fair and square in May but the way they have acted in government to date would markedly reduce that majority if there was another election tomorrow.
Even if he doesn't get elected, his legacy is that he's engaging more people with political issues and that is vital for democracy.
He also seems like the kind of guy with true morals and wouldn't take being elected as his work done for 5 years, and would work to honour his ideology and policies that got him there in the first place. The trouble with our current so called democracy is that yes, the Torys were voted in fair and square in May but the way they have acted in government to date would markedly reduce that majority if there was another election tomorrow.
Original post by EtherealNymph22
He's a breath of fresh air for British politics and he's doing something that is relatively rare- actually representing people's views. He understands the realities of many situations and is a big proponent of reducing inequality which is important not just for the poor but for all of us- the situation is unsustainable.
Even if he doesn't get elected, his legacy is that he's engaging more people with political issues and that is vital for democracy.
He also seems like the kind of guy with true morals and wouldn't take being elected as his work done for 5 years, and would work to honour his ideology and policies that got him there in the first place. The trouble with our current so called democracy is that yes, the Torys were voted in fair and square in May but the way they have acted in government to date would markedly reduce that majority if there was another election tomorrow.
Even if he doesn't get elected, his legacy is that he's engaging more people with political issues and that is vital for democracy.
He also seems like the kind of guy with true morals and wouldn't take being elected as his work done for 5 years, and would work to honour his ideology and policies that got him there in the first place. The trouble with our current so called democracy is that yes, the Torys were voted in fair and square in May but the way they have acted in government to date would markedly reduce that majority if there was another election tomorrow.
In what revolutionary manner is he representing people's views more so than any other party leader?
And how exactly do you reckon that he has true morals? What utter garbage. Corbynite's live in a bubble of their own. He has some truly dubious positions, is a hypocrite, and ends up backtracking on any stand he makes after his own party and the public call him out on his stupid views. The man has a negative 40 opinion poll rating for crying out loud. He is quite literally the worst performing opposition leader ever. The idea that he's speaking the 'truth' for the masses is nonsense. The public think he's a clown and it's only too right the media savages him.
Regardless of how you feel about his policies, you've got to admit he's got a lot more backbone than most politicians and I truly respect him for standing up for what he believes in.
No. He keeps digging a bigger hole, confining labour further left. I hope there is a split soon so that a proper centre left party can take it's place.
Yes he is a legend.
Original post by Blondie987
Regardless of how you feel about his policies, you've got to admit he's got a lot more backbone than most politicians and I truly respect him for standing up for what he believes in.
His policies have constantly changed and moved since he got involved in the Labour leadership election. Just look at his position on Trident. A man who is ideologically opposed to nuclear weapons and wants to see complete unilateral disarmament is willing to build nuclear submarines and maintain a nuclear infrastructure to appease the unions. How does that demonstrate backbone?
Original post by Blondie987
Regardless of how you feel about his policies, you've got to admit he's got a lot more backbone than most politicians and I truly respect him for standing up for what he believes in.
He doesn't really stand up though. Only a little bit, and then he either backtracks or makes a half-arsed compromise that satisfies nobody.
Original post by joecphillips
He is a bigger threat to this country than trump.
What on earth is that supposed to mean? Trump is the right opposite to Corbyn, yet he's somehow up there with him?
We should be learning from Trump.
And Corbyn is the biggest threat to this country. I'm truly ashamed that my family supports him.
Well it depends what you mean by a success. Nobody, not even him seriously thinks he will be prime minister.
Corbyn is attempting to turn the party leftwards economically (A good thing) and to adopt a policy of appeasement in terms of foreign policy (A very bad thing- I'm unsure whether he is actively anti western or if he is just incredibly naive, i'm leaning towards the latter*). He is essentially the reincarnation of George Lansbury (Google him). His politics is popular but divisive- just loike bringing baack the death penalty- this gives him a strong level of support but makes him unable to bridge an electability gap.
Whilst I welcome the economic change even though there is no real solid proposal as of yet other than mass council house building (Unimaginative IMO) I think he is doomed to fail in most matters.
His coterie of Momentum backers are highly unrepresentative of the country and seems to be made up of suburban hipsters: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jan/20/labours-new-members-mostly-wealthy-city-dwellers-leaked-report
*Not because he wishes to disarm Trident or even leave NATO- but his position on Ukraine (Its the Wests fault), his appointment of Milne (Who is genuinely anti western- alongside his friends Galloway and Livingstone).
Corbyn is attempting to turn the party leftwards economically (A good thing) and to adopt a policy of appeasement in terms of foreign policy (A very bad thing- I'm unsure whether he is actively anti western or if he is just incredibly naive, i'm leaning towards the latter*). He is essentially the reincarnation of George Lansbury (Google him). His politics is popular but divisive- just loike bringing baack the death penalty- this gives him a strong level of support but makes him unable to bridge an electability gap.
Whilst I welcome the economic change even though there is no real solid proposal as of yet other than mass council house building (Unimaginative IMO) I think he is doomed to fail in most matters.
His coterie of Momentum backers are highly unrepresentative of the country and seems to be made up of suburban hipsters: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jan/20/labours-new-members-mostly-wealthy-city-dwellers-leaked-report
*Not because he wishes to disarm Trident or even leave NATO- but his position on Ukraine (Its the Wests fault), his appointment of Milne (Who is genuinely anti western- alongside his friends Galloway and Livingstone).
Original post by THE EPIC Panda
No. He keeps digging a bigger hole, confining labour further left. I hope there is a split soon so that a proper centre left party can take it's place.
The good thing about all the left/right stuff is that it allows people to think they understand or have something meaningful to say when in fact they are just parroting sound bites that are devoid of any meaning.
Original post by Aj12
His policies have constantly changed and moved since he got involved in the Labour leadership election. Just look at his position on Trident. A man who is ideologically opposed to nuclear weapons and wants to see complete unilateral disarmament is willing to build nuclear submarines and maintain a nuclear infrastructure to appease the unions. How does that demonstrate backbone?
Almost reped again.
But I didn't want to have to write a follow up report.
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Original post by Aj12
His policies have constantly changed and moved since he got involved in the Labour leadership election. Just look at his position on Trident. A man who is ideologically opposed to nuclear weapons and wants to see complete unilateral disarmament is willing to build nuclear submarines and maintain a nuclear infrastructure to appease the unions. How does that demonstrate backbone?
People say Corbyn is back pedalling or inconsistent in his views. I think differently. His ideology and personal view on certain aspects e.g Trident and bombing Syria is clear- he’s a pacifist. However, he is now the leader of the opposition; he is no longer a left wing back bencher. With that position comes responsibility, to represent people, to represent the party as a whole. I think his flexibility and willingness to compromise is something we haven’t really seen before. And most importantly, it’s vital in a democracy.
He has demonstrated his passion and intention to represent people by leaving the Syrian war vote unwhipped. He knew that would open him to criticism when Benn et al opposed him in the HoC and the Torys could all have a big laugh. But for something so important as a vote to literally bomb a country not whipping it is extremely brave and important. On the contrary, the conservatives whipped their vote and as a result only 2% of their MPs voted against. Does that accurately represent the views of Britain?
Of course, there can’t be a referendum on absolutely everything and the conservatives have been democratically elected. But I think that comes with a responsibility which I haven’t seen assumed very often by a political figure until Corbyn. It’s a responsibility to always be thinking about the people you represent instead of unrelentingly pursuing ones ideologies. There has to be compromise. The tory manifesto was clear- but David Cameron also specifically said, in a live debate, that he wouldn’t be cutting child tax credits which spoke to people that maybe don't usually vote conservative. Post-election did he stick to that? No. Did the conservatives again whip the vote to get it through? Yes.
And their lack of representation and understanding in that issue is the reason why the House of Lords unprecedently revoked it- which is quite embarrassing but it proves how out of touch the conservative leadership are with the people. But did the media and the BBC dwell on it and spin it in the same fashion as they do every time Corbyn doesn’t kneel or does something with decent intentions? Of course not. It focused on the angle that the House of Lords who were not elected overturned this. And somehow they (Cameron, Osborne) escape unscathed apart from a temporary ego dent.
The difference with Corbyn is he in touch with how things work on the ground, on the front line, in people’s lives. You only have to look at what the Torys are doing to the NHS – demoralising an entire workforce in the name of shoddy statistics that were published in order for them to do what they want to do. And with the way it’s going, the NHS will be privatised. Good news for the rich who can afford private. Bad news for the poor.
And this is the problem, and something Corbyn is really pushing and talking about at the moment- the problem of inequality. It’s not just a some people are rich and others are poor. Inequality is a real issue and is recognised as the greatest social threat of our times.
In these times, it is really important that politics is thinking and is flexible. And that’s what Corbyn is. He thinks. He compromises. He’s willing to actually attempt to make what is currently a pseudo-democracy a real democracy. The conservatives don’t think enough because they can afford not to and they also don’t know what it’s like to really struggle. But when the county as a whole can’t afford the super rich it won’t be Jeremy Corbyn who’s back-pedalling – it will be Cameron and Osborne.
I don’t necessarily agree with his personal views on everything but I agree with his brand and ethos of how politics should be.
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Original post by F raja
He's anti-establishment so anyone whos pro establishment will hate him. There is a reason the media is carrying out a vicious campaign against him. Both him and bernie sanders are too radical for countries that thrive on capitalism. I dont see nothing wrong in about 80% of corbyns policies and I truly belive that England will only prosper under him. He is a leader of the people
Bernie Sanders platform is basically a modern day Roosevelt and the New Deal that was ushered in the 30s.
The fact he looks like a left wing radical is a testament to how crap things are now. Real far left were communists and radical left workers organizations. The sort that want to develop economic organization of society on none capitalist grounds. Bernie policies are plain left of centre social democrat. The fact that is deemed radical now is a testament to just how **** things have gone and how the left are loosing badly at the propaganda war.
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Original post by ChaoticButterfly
The good thing about all the left/right stuff is that it allows people to think they understand or have something meaningful to say when in fact they are just parroting sound bites that are devoid of any meaning.
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I don't know what alternative paradigms you support but for the politically disengaged left/right is probably more understandable than
Internationally: Communitarian/ Cosmpolitan
Economically: Free Trade/ protectionist
Socially: Liberal/ Conservative
Militarily: Interventionist/ Libertarian
And of course there can be a mixture of views too...(This doesnt really represent me for example).
Think I'll make a thread on this"!
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